The hurricane prediction is for the strongest in 70 years

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Has he changed his mind?

it also has to do with solar cycles.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

it also has to do with solar cycles.

Not according to solar scientists.

Global Warming -- Research Issues

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by fatherchronica

Actually Al Gore just made the internet free for the public. We are finally getting over that massive giveaway, thank god. Net neutrality has really hampered innovation and profit for internet providers.

Since the thread appears to have been taken over by the usual suspects, let's talk about this 'massive giveaway'.

The development and establishment of the internet was primarily funded (in the US at any rate) by the Defense Department. The Defense Department is funded by the US taxpayer, so what was actually happening was that the individuals who use it were only getting something that they had already paid for.

The 'service providers' are making a profit from something they had no hand in the making of, financially, physically or intellectually. In previous times, before the neo-liberal policies of Reagan/Thatcher wreaked their havoc on the western (and by extension, rest of the) world, this would have been called stealing, and have been dealt with at the ballot box.



"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."


Funny, there's no mention of corporations there, though they were established easily a thousand years previously. That would lead me to believe that 'People' in this case means people; individuals.

Since the current carnival of clowns in Washington seem hell-bent on undoing 235 years of general progress by either ignoring, actively subverting and/or destroying every one of the underlined goals in the above quote, anyone supporting them would seem to me to be guilty, by association, of treason.



As regards science, in 1863 Republican President Lincoln established the National Academy of Sciences to help policymakers understand the rapidly growing body of scientific knowledge. Many here would do well to read what they have to say about it.


"There are well-understood physical mechanisms by which changes in the amounts of greenhouse gases cause climate changes. The US National Academy of Sciences and The Royal Society produced a booklet, Climate Change: Evidence and Causes (download here), intended to be a brief, readable reference document for decision makers, policy makers, educators, and other individuals seeking authoritative information on the some of the questions that continue to be asked. The booklet discusses the evidence that the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have increased and are still increasing rapidly, that climate change is occurring, and that most of the recent change is almost certainly due to emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activities."


Of course, if you think this is all ' a hoax' or a 'conspiracy', then there's no hope for you and you might as well continue on with whatever internet blog that agrees with whatever notions you hold.

For those of you who just want to wait and see, because it 'may not be happening' (although it demonstrably is), might I suggest you cancel whatever insurances you have, cause I know you're all good drivers or captains and have situated your houses, boats and businesses to ensure that nothing unforseen could ever happen to them...

[Cadence]

Does anyone really buy into global warming from man made hydrocarbons? I can't deny it may have a miniscule effect. Cyclical ups nd downs in weather have existed since time began. I doubt any of us will be around when Florida and Manhattan go under water. Or anyone can predict hurricanes accurately.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Cadence

Does anyone really buy into global warming from man made hydrocarbons? I can't deny it may have a miniscule effect. Cyclical ups nd downs in weather have existed since time began. I doubt any of us will be around when Florida and Manhattan go under water. Or anyone can predict hurricanes accurately.

Its the new Religion..

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Cadence

Does anyone really buy into global warming from man made hydrocarbons?

Not one single academy of science in any country on the planet representing millions of scientists disputes the conclusions of the IPCC. NADA. ZILCH. NONE.

So to answer your question. Yes.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Not one single academy of science in any country on the planet representing millions of scientists disputes the conclusions of the IPCC. NADA. ZILCH. NONE.

So to answer your question. Yes.

not quite true jack they just have a reported consensus among the scientists that they want to count
A consensus is an opinion and opinions are not facts.
Wouldn't be the first time scientists were wrong either.
But regardless the cyclone season wheither it is bad or it may be really mild either way it is foreseeable therefore they are avoidable for those of us in the cruising community.

[Eder]

Originally Posted by nautitrix

evidence that Polar Bears have mated with other types of bears as they can no longer get out on the ice and away from the southern habitat.

Once you go black you never go back , am I right?

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Not one single academy of science in any country on the planet representing millions of scientists disputes the conclusions of the IPCC. NADA. ZILCH. NONE.

So to answer your question. Yes.

Please don't partially quote me. And millions? A lot of people in academia get so wrapped up in their PhD. specialty they can't see the woods for the trees. JMHO I have a son in that category.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Cadence

Please don't partially quote me. And millions? A lot of people in academia get so wrapped up in their PhD. specialty they can't see the woods for the trees. JMHO I have a son in that category.

Just saving bandwidth as you asked one question which I answered. Yes there millions of members of various science academies on the planet. Both APS and AGU alone have over 50,000 members each.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

not quite true jack they just have a reported consensus among the scientists that they want to count
A consensus is an opinion and opinions are not facts.
Wouldn't be the first time scientists were wrong either.
But regardless the cyclone season wheither it is bad or it may be really mild either way it is foreseeable therefore they are avoidable for those of us in the cruising community.

You might wish to read The Structure of Scientific revolutions by Thomas Kuhn i which he discusses the role of consensus in scientific paradigms. Here is the Cliff's notes version of that discussion. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/#3

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

You might wish to read The Structure of Scientific revolutions by Thomas Kuhn i which he discusses the role of consensus in scientific paradigms. Here is the Cliff's notes version of that discussion. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/#3

will read it in the coming days and reply .

In the meantime here is something to consider for everyone.

[sailorboy1]

I read page 1 an then wondered how the thread could be going on page 5.

Now I know

[willpower1]

As a 7th gen Floridian at 50 years young I cannot remember when there was not a catastrophic hurricane prediction.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

I read page 1 an then wondered how the thread could be going on page 5.

Now I know

I didn't even post till page 4 so it wasn't me.