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Old 26-10-2017, 12:44   #1
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Ocean Concerns

This was predicted/conjectured a number of years ago. Now it's happening.
England's outdoor plumbing is in jeopardy, and what else?

Global Ocean Circulation Appears To Be Collapsing Due To A Warming Planet
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Old 27-10-2017, 08:47   #2
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These predictions have run hot and cold over a couple of decades. I’m no climate change denier but we need to be careful what we read. If true it’s not good news. Then again there is not much good climate news. Elsewhere I Read they mucked up one of the basic climate model assumptions, ancient oceans were much cooler than thought. Apparently that means cc is progressing much faster than previously thought.

OTOH, if you read widely you may discover that there are several additional emergent issues which may severely impact humanity: industrial farming is wiping out insects and viable land, commercial over fishing, resource depletion, financial over complication. Lloyd’s and MunichRE have issues earnings advisory’s (oops we lost money) due to the hurricane and floods in India.
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These predictions have run hot and cold over a couple of decades. I’m no climate change denier but we need to be careful what we read. If true it’s not good news. Then again there is not much good climate news. Elsewhere I Read they mucked up one of the basic climate model assumptions, ancient oceans were much cooler than thought. Apparently that means cc is progressing much faster than previously thought.

OTOH, if you read widely you may discover that there are several additional emergent issues which may severely impact humanity: industrial farming is wiping out insects and viable land, commercial over fishing, resource depletion, financial over complication. Lloyd’s and MunichRE have issues earnings advisory’s (oops we lost money) due to the hurricane and floods in India.
Absolutely. Those emergent issues include numerous feedback loops which once started can't be stopped. The biggest of these is the release of methane currently trapped under permafrost that will no longer be permanent :-( All you can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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This was predicted/conjectured a number of years ago. Now it's happening.
England's outdoor plumbing is in jeopardy, and what else?

Global Ocean Circulation Appears To Be Collapsing Due To A Warming Planet
Um....Last week, NASA revealed that sea levels across the globe are FALLING, not rising as they would have to be if the earth were warming. The media didn't exactly jump at the chance to report it. Ditto for the fact that there was recently a large kill-off of penguin chicks in Antarctica due to vastly thicker sea ice.
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Um....Last week, NASA revealed that sea levels across the globe are FALLING, not rising as they would have to be if the earth were warming. The media didn't exactly jump at the chance to report it. Ditto for the fact that there was recently a large kill-off of penguin chicks in Antarctica due to vastly thicker sea ice.
^^ A classic example of how the uneducated and stupid can distort the facts to suit their own narrative. Take a few 'facts' that selectively suit your arguement. Ignore the bigger context and the rest of the data that doesn't suit. So what about the rest of the 100 or so years of data showing sea levels rising? A few years ago the denialists narrative was that Nasa was making up stuff because it didn't suit their own beliefs.

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^^ A classic example of how the uneducated and stupid can distort the facts to suit their own narrative. Take a few 'facts' that selectively suit your arguement. Ignore the bigger context and the rest of the data that doesn't suit. So what about the rest of the 100 or so years of data showing sea levels rising? A few years ago the denialists narrative was that Nasa was making up stuff because it didn't suit their own beliefs.

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^^ this is about sceince, not polyticks. Notice on one hand the scientist, on the oher the politicain. It's a lot like arguing with a flat earther.
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^^ A classic example of how the uneducated and stupid can distort the facts to suit their own narrative. Take a few 'facts' that selectively suit your arguement. Ignore the bigger context and the rest of the data that doesn't suit. So what about the rest of the 100 20,000 or so years of data showing sea levels rising? A few years ago the denialists narrative was that Nasa was making up stuff because it didn't suit their own beliefs.
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Uncivilized, I like the sense of humor and had a good laugh. It might just be me, but I think we're on kind of a knife edge here, a slippery slope (kind of like the glaciers if you know what I mean) where we will start to really see and feel the changes. Krill, acidification, methane, manganese nodules outgassing, warming soils releasing carbon and methane, it all starts to add up. And here I am still driving a Prius.
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Lets keep this intellectual and friendly guys. No personnal attacks, just good healthy dialogue. Ok?
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no way this will stay friendly
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^^ A classic example of how the uneducated and stupid can distort the facts to suit their own narrative. Take a few 'facts' that selectively suit your arguement. Ignore the bigger context and the rest of the data that doesn't suit. So what about the rest of the 100 or so years of data showing sea levels rising? A few years ago the denialists narrative was that Nasa was making up stuff because it didn't suit their own beliefs.

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If the earth were in a long-term warming period, as global warming acolytes maintain, sea levels would not be falling. There's no way to paint a global warming happy face on that fact. Calling someone uneducated and stupid because they happen to have different opinions than you do is rude, and symptomatic of someone unable to compete in the arena of facts and ideas. According to the rules of CF, your reply should be deleted by the moderators, and you should receive a warning. We'll see.
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Everyone talks about how water levels will rise as ice melts, especially land based glaciers. But has anyone considered that there may be caverns, or underground tunnels being exposed by the ice receeding? Which could cause water levels to drop.
There is so much we don't understand or know, but that doesn't seem to stop us from pretending we do;-)
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Um....Last week, NASA revealed that sea levels across the globe are FALLING, not rising as they would have to be if the earth were warming. The media didn't exactly jump at the chance to report it. Ditto for the fact that there was recently a large kill-off of penguin chicks in Antarctica due to vastly thicker sea ice.
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