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Old 18-01-2019, 18:15   #106
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Re: Climate Change - what to expect for cruising life

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One eminent scientist who's been studying climate change impacts for decades is Roger Pielke, Jr

Cue the ad-homs and "denier" name calling in .......
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Old 18-01-2019, 18:17   #107
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Apparently you weren't properly instructed Orson. Any scientific evidence that runs contrary to mainstream science is off-topic here. In this thread we have to assume that the experts you cite don't exist or are otherwise not credible. That way it's much easier to discuss CC as if its impacts and its human causation are givens.

I don't know about anyone else, but if 7 out of 10 neurosurgeons recommended surgery, I would surely want to know why the remaining 3 believed it wasn't necessary. And I would want to know whether I went ahead with the majority recommendation or not.
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Old 18-01-2019, 19:13   #108
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Re: Climate Change - what to expect for cruising life

My answer to the original question.

Following the earths natural temperature cycle the earth has in the last 800,000 years regularily been more than + 4° to - 6° from where we are now in the cycle.

At both these near extremes our populations will turn on each other and blow our selves to extinction.
  • Won't happen in our time frames
  • Nothing we can do about it
  • Drink rum and be Mary.......or Bruce, that doesn't matter
  • 100,000 years after that the earth will have forgotten all about us
  • The computers will take over the earth with skynet in charge
  • Or my preference zombies
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Old 18-01-2019, 19:29   #109
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That is exactly what I pointed out. Land sinking.


If climate change is warming the PNW, I like it.
It's the middle of January and I still haven't had to turn off my dock's water.
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Old 18-01-2019, 19:36   #110
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Uh, cite? Papers I found say that Florida has been stable or actually rising due to isotastic rebound.

I don't recall any recent glacier sightings south of Maine, either.



Florida sure has a lot of sinkholes...
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Simple, do what sailors have been doing since the beginning of time.

Adapt and keep sailing.

Hell, I adapt to the weather everyday!
Absolutely correct, and get out there when the best they could tell what was happening at the end of the dock. Just as a side note here I wonder what what old Christopher would have thought about chart plotters and gribb files, hed probably have us all keel hauled for witchery.
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Cue the ad-homs and "denier" name calling in .......
For the record, he has a B.A. in mathematics (1990), an M.A. in public policy (1992), and a Ph.D. in political science.

Not a climate scientist per se, but apparently a right clever bloke notwithstanding.

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He has written that he accepts the IPCC view of the underlying science, stating, "The IPCC has concluded that greenhouse gas emissions resulting from human activity are an important driver of changes in climate. And on this basis alone I am personally convinced that it makes sense to take action to limit greenhouse gas emissions."[10]
...so why would I want to diss him? He's asserting that most of you deniers are out to lunch.
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For the record, he has a B.A. in mathematics (1990), an M.A. in public policy (1992), and a Ph.D. in political science.

Not a climate scientist per se, but apparently a right clever bloke notwithstanding.

...so why would I want to diss him? He's asserting that most of you deniers are out to lunch.
his PhD in political science explains it all considering the ipcc is a political body. Then there is his masters in public policy .
They actually have very little to do with science . They adjust findings to match their policies
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For the record, he has a B.A. in mathematics (1990), an M.A. in public policy (1992), and a Ph.D. in political science.

Not a climate scientist per se, but apparently a right clever bloke notwithstanding.

...so why would I want to diss him? He's asserting that most of you deniers are out to lunch.
I don't deny that the climate is changing I just reject the falsehood that man has any control over the warming that was happening or the cooling that is now happening. Its all the sun.
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Slight exaggeration here methinks..

16th century is more realistic..

1000yrs ago it was the Norsemen exploring those waters.


Everybody was fishing here by the 16th century after Cabot blabbed to the European world about the great cod fishing to be had on the banks just east of Maine. But there’s been evidence found that Portuguese fishermen were fishing there well before then and would come ashore on Maine’s islands to dry their catch before heading back across the Atlantic. Unlike Cabot, they understood that when you find a great fishing hole, you don’t tell everybody about it, and since you can’t make a legal claim on an area of ocean there was no point in trying to legally claim it. These early fishermen weren’t interested in conquest or settling Maine’s islands, just a place to dry their fish that was safe from possibly hostile natives on the mainland. The history books all talk about the cod fishery after Columbus and Cabot, but there were Portuguese fishermen visiting here before that.
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At the lizard Island research station they point out that 10,000 years ago Lizard island was connected to the mainland. Now there's 30 metre deep water between.

So sea levels have risen an average of 3mm per year for the last 10,000 years.
It seems a lot of people are missing A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF TIME.
If a change happens within 100 years, this is, for nature - including humans, a very different thing to a change of the same scale happening within thousands of years.
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As I calculate it that rise is actually less than 1/16 inch per year over the last 100+ according to the scientists
That's approx 7 inches since 1900.
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I see from this discussion, Big Oil has done a great job in educating people (probably most of them in the US?) about nobody is causing any climate change. Unfortunately, the ongoing law suits against those businesses are too late and too slow.
In combination with unwillingness or lack of capability to follow scientific arguments (like sea level change is mostly from volumetric expansion of the seas, not melting ice) these people are hopeless cases.

I just wonder why they still participate in this discussion and can't leave us allone.
Is the fear they will need to change life style so massive?
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Some of you guys should Google "The Great Horse Manure Crisis". It appears our forebears scewed us over by solving their problems with technology. The same technology that is now biting us on the backside. To our great-great grandchildren we will no doubt be seen to be as primitive as our 18th century brethren. Let's hope in our enthusiasm to solve our somewhat imaginary problems we don't leave even bigger ones for our future selves to resolve.
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At the lizard Island research station they point out that 10,000 years ago Lizard island was connected to the mainland. Now there's 30 metre deep water between.

So sea levels have risen an average of 3mm per year for the last 10,000 years.
Oh no, say it isn’t so. What will we do? Hopefully, we’ll be able to outrun the rising seas, how many more lizards on lizard island must die?
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