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Old 14-05-2016, 04:24   #1
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PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

He all,

For the past view months I've been hard at work to solve a problem my father in law had.

He was going on a sailing trip with his son that would require them to sail in shifts. Day and night.
The alternating shifts meant there is always a risk to fall overboard without the other knowing.
So he asked me to make something simple and affordable that would work with his phone since he already used that for navigation.

A view months later, PanPan was born and I'm very curious to learn what you think of it!
You can checkout the website bellow or/and ask me any questions on this forum.

Here's a quick summary:
PanPan is a smart crew watcher that constantly checks if all crew members are still on board.
If someone were to go overboard, it will automatically sound the alarm.
Not only that, it will provide everything needed for a swift recovery and rescue;
Coordinates of the point of loss, time of the event as well as a constantly updating rescue heading.

http://crewwatcher.com

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Old 14-05-2016, 04:50   #2
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The phones presumably need to be waterproof.. also is this dependent on commercial cellphone coverage.. ie up to 10-15miles offshore.. or is it independent.. mid ocean..?
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Old 14-05-2016, 05:06   #3
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Re: PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

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The phones presumably need to be waterproof.. also is this dependent on commercial cellphone coverage.. ie up to 10-15miles offshore.. or is it independent.. mid ocean..?
Based on the website, the phone doesn't need to be waterproof. It's just the monitor for a bunch of wifi beacons that the crew wear.

Presumably you could do the same thing with any wifi device such as a navigation laptop.
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Re: PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Jason.

Neat!
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Based on the website, the phone doesn't need to be waterproof. It's just the monitor for a bunch of wifi beacons that the crew wear.

Presumably you could do the same thing with any wifi device such as a navigation laptop.
Thanks Stu.. thought I'd ask others input before stumbling around the site..
Lose a 'Logged' signal and the alarm sounds I presume tied into Bluetooth.?
Right.. Okay..!! I'll go read it..
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Re: PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

since this is basically an ad thread how about some pricing
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Damn.. hate jumping through hoops to find out the cost.. 40% discount for testing means squat.
Sounds neat tho'..
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Re: PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

Thanks for the warm welcome and great to see feedback this quickly!
I will try to answer you all of your questions.

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The phones presumably need to be waterproof.. also is this dependent on commercial cellphone coverage.. ie up to 10-15miles offshore.. or is it independent.. mid ocean..?
StuM is right, the phone acts as a monitor and can be kept inside the cabin.
It's an independent system and does not require cellphone coverage.

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Based on the website, the phone doesn't need to be waterproof. It's just the monitor for a bunch of wifi beacons that the crew wear.

Presumably you could do the same thing with any wifi device such as a navigation laptop.
It actually uses a specialised long range bluetooth 4 antenna. This is great because the protocol is much more energy efficient with an expected operational battery life of three years for the beacon.

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Thanks Stu.. thought I'd ask others input before stumbling around the site..
Lose a 'Logged' signal and the alarm sounds I presume tied into Bluetooth.?
Right.. Okay..!! I'll go read it..
I can appreciate the "jump right in" enthusiasm!
The lost signal is just part of the equation. The beacon carries a water sensor that will activate automatically when submerged but ignore rain or splashing waves. The sensitivity and interval is configurable in the app.

http://crewwatcher.com
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In regards to all the pricing questions:

Pricing isn't final yet but it will be around 80 retail or 90 USD with the current conversion rates. I should have included this in the first post but I can't figure out how to edit.
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In regards to all the pricing questions:

Pricing isn't final yet but it will be around 80 retail or 90 USD with the current conversion rates. I should have included this in the first post but I can't figure out how to edit.
Is that just for the App.. transmitters separate..?
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That's for one beacon transmitter.
The app wil be free to download for android and iOS.
There will be discounts when purchasing multiple beacons at once.

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Re: PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

Sounds like a smart system. At first it occured to me that a Mobile Phone could be configured to act as the beacon/tag. Loose signal and the monitoring smart phone triggers the alarm? If the phone is in range of cell coverage and still running, lifting it out of the water would enable it to send its GPS position directly to the monitoring phone.

To me this sort of system as a reasonably priced app, with no extra hardware costs would be very attractive, with the option to buy a few smaller compatible improved tags rather than a phone if I like the system.
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Re: PanPan - a virtual lifeline on your smartphone

nice idea for a worrisome problem, but you might consider a superior competitor on the horizon: Crew all fitted with mini AIS transmitters. these are almost on the market.

a MOB goes outside the AIS geo-fence, alarm sounds, MOB appears on plotter screen, autopilot drives boat to within 20 feet of MOB and holds.
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Sounds like a smart system. At first it occured to me that a Mobile Phone could be configured to act as the beacon/tag. Loose signal and the monitoring smart phone triggers the alarm? If the phone is in range of cell coverage and still running, lifting it out of the water would enable it to send its GPS position directly to the monitoring phone.

To me this sort of system as a reasonably priced app, with no extra hardware costs would be very attractive, with the option to buy a few smaller compatible improved tags rather than a phone if I like the system.
He Snowpetrel,

We have actually experimented with this approach.
(would have saved us a lot of hardware headaches)
Unfortunately there's 2 problems:
1. The bluetooth signal of a smartphone is often to weak to cover the entire boat, this would lead to many false alarms during regular sailing.
2. If you phone is in the water it's probably toast. Even if you kept it in a water proof bag, it would be out the bluetooth range in seconds, unable to send the GPS signal.

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nice idea for a worrisome problem, but you might consider a superior competitor on the horizon: Crew all fitted with mini AIS transmitters. these are almost on the market.

a MOB goes outside the AIS geo-fence, alarm sounds, MOB appears on plotter screen, autopilot drives boat to within 20 feet of MOB and holds.

He Symphony,

Thanks for pointing this out, would you have a link for me where I can read up on this?

I can think of a couple of advantages PanPan would still have;
First I recon price, current solutions are often 300~400USD or more.
Second, PanPan has a water sensor, which means you react instantly. We try to be the fastest way to rescue. If you have geo-fence you will always lose precious time since you're waiting to pass "the fence"

We are looking into integrating with wifi enabled plotters to do the same. The idea is to use seatalk to communicate with the onboard equipment. However this is very early stages and would be pushed as a software update later.

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