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Old 26-08-2013, 04:18   #16
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Re: Bottom Blasting and Bottom Painting, New Jersey, PA, DE and MD.

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How do you dry hulls for barrier coating without removing the gelcoat? No point in putting barrier coat on a wet blistered hull, it will only make the problem worse.
I'm sorry, but 90% of the blisters we see are small micro blisters 1/4" to 1/2" in size and are just below the gelcoats surface.

With those you just blast them open, let dry over the winter and then fair and fill them in early spring after the boat has had a few months to dry.

Most of the time the marina takes care of that type of bottom work and we just do the Farrow blasting.

As far as peeling the gel-coat that's not something we get involved with and again is handled by a (fiberglass specialist) and ussually would happen after we Farrow blasted the bottom and exposed those grapefruit sized blisters that would require peeling that you are referring to.

Again our process is for removing bottom paint so your boat's bottom can be barrier coated and repainted.

Hopefully that answers your question.

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Old 26-08-2013, 07:34   #17
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Re: Bottom Blasting and Bottom Painting, New Jersey, PA, DE and MD.

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I'm sorry, but 90% of the blisters we see are small micro blisters 1/4" to 1/2" in size and are just below the gelcoats surface.

With those you just blast them open, let dry over the winter and then fair and fill them in early spring after the boat has had a few months to dry.

Most of the time the marina takes care of that type of bottom work and we just do the Farrow blasting.

As far as peeling the gel-coat that's not something we get involved with and again is handled by a (fiberglass specialist) and ussually would happen after we Farrow blasted the bottom and exposed those grapefruit sized blisters that would require peeling that you are referring to.

Again our process is for removing bottom paint so your boat's bottom can be barrier coated and repainted.

Hopefully that answers your question.

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So your clients hulls are not dried, just open the blisters, wait a while, and hope for the best, no moisture meter readings? Not very professional. Do you warranty your bottoms? We give a full ten year warranty. You can't use a peeler on a bottom once the blisters have been opened, the peeler guide would dip into each blister dish and make it twice as deep and wide. You must start with a fair fresh surface. Anyone who's ever seen a peeler in action knows this. We peel bottoms with very small "gelcoat pox" blisters all the time. This is because a full peel is the only way to dry the bottom and cure the problem instead of just slapping a band-aid on it which will have to be redone every five years.
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Old 26-08-2013, 08:32   #18
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Re: Bottom Blasting and Bottom Painting, New Jersey, PA, DE and MD.

Minaret, I think you are chewing this bone too much. The OP has stated many times that his business is removing bottom paint. As an aside, he mentioned that his method can be used to open small blisters and that marine yards typically take it from there.

Nowhere have I read into his post that he is in the blister remediation business, or even focused on any part of that. And peeling a boat just to get rid of bottom paint is extreme.

I have seen many times a few scattered small blisters that were in the gelcoat only. Popping and fairing were all that was necessary and the boat was not wet or the problem reoccurring.

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Old 26-08-2013, 08:51   #19
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Minaret, I think you are chewing this bone too much. The OP has stated many times that his business is removing bottom paint. As an aside, he mentioned that his method can be used to open small blisters and that marine yards typically take it from there.

Nowhere have I read into his post that he is in the blister remediation business, or even focused on any part of that. And peeling a boat just to get rid of bottom paint is extreme.

I have seen many times a few scattered small blisters that were in the gelcoat only. Popping and fairing were all that was necessary and the boat was not wet or the problem reoccurring.

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Blisters on a boat that's not wet is new to me. Every single one I've ever put a meter on was wet to one degree or another-it's what causes the blisters. Anything else is just a factory void. I'm beating this drum because it seems to me that he is encouraging barrier coating blistered bottoms without peeling and drying first. This could be a very expensive mistake for some poor unsuspecting client who doesn't know better.
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Blisters on a boat that's not wet is new to me. Every single one I've ever put a meter on was wet to one degree or another-it's what causes the blisters. Anything else is just a factory void. I'm beating this drum because it seems to me that he is encouraging barrier coating blistered bottoms without peeling and drying first. This could be a very expensive mistake for some poor unsuspecting client who doesn't know better.
minaret... I'm not encouraging anyone to barrier coat over blisters and any barrier coat we do is first checked with a moisture meter.

Costly mistake? A costly mistake is buying a boat that has been peeled or spending thousands of dollars having a boat peeled in the first place only to find that the boat is only worth half as much as it was a month ago.

I have a customer who has litigation against a marine surveyor and the brokerage who sold him his 45' sailboat because he was never informed by either party that the sailboats bottom gel-coat was peeled and replaced with vinyl-ester resin and hidden with a barrier coat.

A lot of our business is blasting for marine surveyors who are working with people who are buying big sail boats and motor yachts that want to know the condition of the boats bottom that they're about to spend a few hundred thousand dollars on.... and these people don't want the costly mistake of getting stuck with a boat that was peeled. (NO ONE WANTS A PEELED BOAT)

Now back to the original purpose of this post and that is Atlantic Green Pro provides a service to have your boats bottom paint removed in the cleanest, safest and environmentally friendly way possible.

Here's a link of some before and after photos of the boats we've done including a sailboat that was peeled.

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Old 27-08-2013, 07:01   #21
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minaret... I'm not encouraging anyone to barrier coat over blisters and any barrier coat we do is first checked with a moisture meter.

Costly mistake? A costly mistake is buying a boat that has been peeled or spending thousands of dollars having a boat peeled in the first place only to find that the boat is only worth half as much as it was a month ago.

I have a customer who has litigation against a marine surveyor and the brokerage who sold him his 45' sailboat because he was never informed by either party that the sailboats bottom gel-coat was peeled and replaced with vinyl-ester resin and hidden with a barrier coat.

A lot of our business is blasting for marine surveyors who are working with people who are buying big sail boats and motor yachts that want to know the condition of the boats bottom that they're about to spend a few hundred thousand dollars on.... and these people don't want the costly mistake of getting stuck with a boat that was peeled. (NO ONE WANTS A PEELED BOAT)

Now back to the original purpose of this post and that is Atlantic Green Pro provides a service to have your boats bottom paint removed in the cleanest, safest and environmentally friendly way possible.

Here's a link of some before and after photos of the boats we've done including a sailboat that was peeled.

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So, no warranty? If you actually owned boats instead of just working on them, you would know that brokers often mention that a boat has more value because it has already been peeled and barrier coated. It's the ones that haven't been done yet that people don't want.
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Re: Bottom Blasting and Bottom Painting, New Jersey, PA, DE and MD.

Geeeez....Give the guy a break! I for one wished I could have had my hull blasted this last hull out but no one here does it. My hull is very fair and hell...it a sailboat not a pylon racing aircraft. I mean, how fair is it after you roll on barrier coat and bottom paint. There is more than one way to do things. There are people who are talented also.
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So, no warranty? If you actually owned boats instead of just working on them, you would know that brokers often mention that a boat has more value because it has already been peeled and barrier coated. It's the ones that haven't been done yet that people don't want.
minaret, I warranty bottom paint jobs for one year. If anything goes wrong with it during that first year I'll fix it at haul out time for no charge to the customer... which is more than anyone else I know who paints boat bottoms and I only paint boat bottoms that we blasted because if I'm going to warranty a bottom paint job I want to make sure it has the proper profile for paint adhesion which all our Farrow blast jobs produce.

Your comment about me owning boats is even more offensive... how do you know if I own boats or not? I've owned many boats and I also buy boats restore boats and sell boats so I think I have a pretty good understanding about boats especially when you're under and around them as much as I am.

As far as brokers go... they're in the business of selling boats and they're going to tell you and push whatever they can sell you... I have customers who have bought high ticket boats only to find out at time of blasting that their boats bottom was peeled and they most always go after the broker with litigation to get some of their money back... actually I don't know any reputable brokers who would even want to touch a boat with a peeled bottom.

Peeled bottom on boats? When I blast a boat that has a peeled bottom... it makes me want to cry. Seeing a boat with a peeled bottom reminds me of someone walking around without any underwear on and their junk just hanging out.

Sorry but I'm not a big fan of peeled boat bottoms.
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