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Old 14-09-2008, 13:21   #31
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I spoke to new owners of the PDQ 44 moulds; they have been shipped to a yard outside of Buenos Aires in Argentina. They plan build five boats in 2009 (I hear four have been sold).
The powerboat moulds were sold to Pearson Composites in Rhode Island.
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I looked at the one in La Rochelle last week. Very nice open layout. The woodwork looks gorgeous. The galley down doesn't botter me ( got a open feel about it )
Only minus are some little details like the push / turn knobs to open the closet doors.
Yep, wouldn't mind to have me one of these ...but then there was the Dean 441 lying along side ...

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I looked at the one in La Rochelle last week. Very nice open layout. The woodwork looks gorgeous. The galley down doesn't botter me ( got a open feel about it )
Only minus are some little details like the push / turn knobs to open the closet doors.
Yep, wouldn't mind to have me one of these ...but then there was the Dean 441 lying along side ...

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For me itīs a perfect liveaboard catamaran, but i would like her little wider. The details....you can probably change it if you order a new one.
Did they say where they build the boat today?
I followed that boat on her way to france from canada on the internet, very interesting.
And the rig is for ICW and they have a taller one with more sail.

And what do you mean with the Dean 441?
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Joakim,

The Dean 441 is a pretty unknown catamaran build in Atlantis
( a small place north of Cape Town - South Africa )
Dean Catamarans builds about 12 cats a year. They are made
for the same kind of people who would be interested in a PDQ 44.
More then with PDQ they can customize your cat pretty anywhere you want.
The contrast with (some) French cats is huge. Again similar to the Antares you
feel at home the moment you step aboard. Not the "hospital" feel of Pajots or Lagoons..The 441 in La Rochelle was a typical owners cat with every cabin arranged like the owner asked. The weight of the Dean 441 at La Rochelle ( with every possible option : Gen set, airco, watermaker, wash/dryer, new 55 HP Vetus turbo diesel, etc.. ) was 12 tons ( 26455 lbs )

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Joakim,

The Dean 441 is a pretty unknown catamaran build in Atlantis
( a small place north of Cape Town - South Africa )
Dean Catamarans builds about 12 cats a year. They are made
for the same kind of people who would be interested in a PDQ 44.
More then with PDQ they can customize your cat pretty anywhere you want.
The contrast with (some) French cats is huge. Again similar to the Antares you
feel at home the moment you step aboard. Not the "hospital" feel of Pajots or Lagoons..The 441 in La Rochelle was a typical owners cat with every cabin arranged like the owner asked. The weight of the Dean 441 at La Rochelle ( with every possible option : Gen set, airco, watermaker, wash/dryer, new 55 HP Vetus turbo diesel, etc.. ) was 12 tons ( 26455 lbs )

greetins,

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Can you sit in the saloon and see the horizon through the windows? That was my feeling that you canīt. Itīs little to much monohullfeeling.

What was the price on the Dean and Antares?

I like the word hospital feel, and i understand what you mean.

off topic. Is your hanse dark blue or black? Looks very good...
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I don't think you can see the horizon but at the time I was sitting outside.
The price of the Dean fully loaded is around 485.000 € + VAT.
The Antares is about the same.
My Hanse is dark Blue.

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I've been aboard the PDQ quite a bit and also the Dean. I don't find them remotely similar. The PDQ was made with lots of attention to keeping weight out of the foredeck. The dean has almost a solid foredeck. This isn't a small design issue. The PDQ has wrap around visibility, the dean has very little visibility looking forward. The PDQ is a much more recent year 2000 design and has great bridgedeck clearance, far more than the dean. The dean almost looks like a 1980s style prout in the design, with the births extending almost to the bow across the bridgedeck. While this was commonly done 20-30 years ago, I think the Dean is the only modern builder for a 40+ foot boat which has built this type of design in the last 10 years. The PDQ uses the forward hulls as massive water tight chambers, the Dean has probably 1/10th the amount of dedicated water tight chambers. Finally the PDQ isn't a pig, though she isn't a grey hound, but a very nice boat all around and she weighs almost 10,000 lbs lighter than the Dean. I'm sorry, but I really think that they couldn't be any more different.
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If you haven't seen this blog, you can get an idea of one couple's experience circumnavigating on an Antares:

http://notallthosewhowanderarelost.com/
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If you haven't seen this blog, you can get an idea of one couple's experience circumnavigating on an Antares:

index.htm
and you have some more under www.liveantares.com and owners... One is about THE boat at la rochelle...
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Does anyone know where they build the ANTARES 44 today!? I know it was Canada before...
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Argentina.
From a famous yard? Was this one at la rochelle build in Argentina also...
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Ofcourse they are different : looks, layout, etc...
One of the things they have in common is that they look at the same market : people who want to live aboard, no charter use.

The Dean 441's weight at La Rochelle ( full option ) was 12.000 kg / 26500 lbs.
The PDQ 44 ( according to their website ) weighs 10.250 kg / 22500 lbs.
Difference : + 1.750 kg / 4000 lbs

Mainsail + Genoa :

Dean 441 : 125 m2 / 1345 sq. ft.
PDQ 44 : 100 m2 / 1078 sq. ft.

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Ofcourse they are different : looks, layout, etc...
One of the things they have in common is that they look at the same market : people who want to live aboard, no charter use.

The Dean 441's weight at La Rochelle ( full option ) was 12.000 kg / 26500 lbs.
The PDQ 44 ( according to their website ) weighs 10.250 kg / 22500 lbs.
Difference : + 1.750 kg / 4000 lbs

Mainsail + Genoa :

Dean 441 : 125 m2 / 1345 sq. ft.
PDQ 44 : 100 m2 / 1078 sq. ft.

Greetz,

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Sailarea Antares 1078 sq. ft. This is the Intra Costal Way rig. I have info about the other rig, but not on this computer. But itīs bigger/taller.

Question...

What other Liveaboard catamaran in this size is closer to the Antares, Privilege 445?

Antares Galley is the only "galley down" catamaran i like.
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The lightship displacement for the PDQ is 17500 lbs. The only source I could find was a 2 hulls listing showing displacement of around 22,000 lbs for the Dean for lightship displacement. So the light ship displacement of the dean is the fully loaded displacement of the PDQ. For me though a litmus test of a well designed live aboard cruiser catamaran is not having the forward bows being used for living accomodations, but being able to use that area for crash compartments and water tight bulkheads. For a charter boat it makes sense to forego the safety factor for accomodation space, for a live aboard cruiser it certainly makes more sense to have that space be used for collision impact and reserve bouyancy.


quote=scarab;206768]Ofcourse they are different : looks, layout, etc...
One of the things they have in common is that they look at the same market : people who want to live aboard, no charter use.

The Dean 441's weight at La Rochelle ( full option ) was 12.000 kg / 26500 lbs.
The PDQ 44 ( according to their website ) weighs 10.250 kg / 22500 lbs.
Difference : + 1.750 kg / 4000 lbs

Mainsail + Genoa :

Dean 441 : 125 m2 / 1345 sq. ft.
PDQ 44 : 100 m2 / 1078 sq. ft.

Greetz,

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