Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 25-07-2014, 20:22   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: aboard
Boat: Gulfstar 45 Hirsch
Posts: 7
Send a message via Skype™ to g5665
Using generator power system with inverter

hi
sorry if this question was already explained in other thread but i cant find it.

let me explain
our Gulfstar has 4 house batteries, 2 starter bateries, alternator, battery charger, solar panel, Panda generator and shore power connection. We heve a switch to select between shore andgenerator power (or off)
we are full time cruisers, now in Usvi, and we dont use shore power.
the Panda was only used to run our electric stove (for sale now -3 plates Force 10 with oven) but we replace it with a gas one. The Panda is too noisy for us to use for tv or other 110v and we dont use it to charge the batteries.
We dont have inverter, our battery charger is only charger. We plan to replace it soon with a Xantrex Fredoom SW 3012.

The question.
Can i just use the Panda generator connection in the switch to make the power from the inverter enter the electric AC circuit removing the Panda from it?
This solution would save me some wiring and money. The Panda is to be removed from the boat anyway and we dont plan to have generator on board.

Thanks
Joao
Sailing Dee
g5665 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-07-2014, 01:59   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia
Boat: Hunter 40
Posts: 218
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

The short answer is, yes.

However, that Xantrex unit looks like a "pass through" unit. I would wire the shore power to the Xantrex (in series) and get rid of the changeover switch. That way when you use shore power the Xantrex will "sense" the incoming voltage and convert to charge mode allowing the shore power to be used at the outlets. When you disconnect from sure power the Xantrex will automatically take over. You may want to include a "bypass" circuit to allow the use of shore power without the Xantrex unit being active (to allow servicing/maintenance on the Xantrex).

WARNING: Disconnection of the shore power will not stop power at the outlets! Wiring the way I have described above will keep all outlets active all the time!

I had an Outback Marine unit wired this way. It was great.
__________________
Regards Craig
40 South is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-07-2014, 09:43   #3
Registered User
 
Terra Nova's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Marina del Rey, California
Boat: President 43 Sportfish
Posts: 4,105
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

Quote:
Originally Posted by g5665 View Post
...Can i just use the Panda generator connection in the switch to make the power from the inverter enter the electric AC circuit...
You can. But it is easier to just wire the inverter a/c input directly from the output of your shore power breaker, having it feed through the inverter. Then the inverter's output feeds the a/c hot buss. You must remove the original hot wire from the shore breaker to the hot buss. The generator breaker will be no longer needed.
__________________
1st rule of yachting: When a collision is unavoidable, aim for something cheap.
"whatever spare parts you bring, you'll never need"--goboatingnow
"Id rather drown than have computers take over my life."--d design
Terra Nova is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2014, 03:00   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: canada
Posts: 4,661
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

once you start using the inverter you may wish you had the gen and charger again... inverter will suck the batteries.

also avoid xantrax
smac999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2014, 03:15   #5
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,594
Images: 75
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

beware not all inverters allow pass through!
removing the 2 way a/c switch and connecting to shore power could damage an inverter permernantly wired in that is not an inverter/charger type.
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2014, 09:44   #6
Marine Service Provider
 
mitiempo's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C.
Boat: Wauquiez Centurion 32
Posts: 2,874
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

Quote:
Originally Posted by atoll View Post
beware not all inverters allow pass through!
removing the 2 way a/c switch and connecting to shore power could damage an inverter permernantly wired in that is not an inverter/charger type.
Any inverter with a pass through will have a clearly labeled AC input and AC output.
mitiempo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2014, 10:03   #7
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16’ N 82° 25.82’ W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 16,306
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

Quote:
Originally Posted by smac999 View Post
once you start using the inverter you may wish you had the gen and charger again... inverter will suck the batteries.
Yes



Quote:
Originally Posted by smac999 View Post
also avoid xantrax
And YES!!!
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
Sometimes it's necessary to state the obvious for the benefit of the oblivious.
Rust is the poor man's Loctite.
skipmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2014, 11:06   #8
Registered User
 
Terra Nova's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Marina del Rey, California
Boat: President 43 Sportfish
Posts: 4,105
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

Have had exceptionally good service from numerous Xantrax inverters.
__________________
1st rule of yachting: When a collision is unavoidable, aim for something cheap.
"whatever spare parts you bring, you'll never need"--goboatingnow
"Id rather drown than have computers take over my life."--d design
Terra Nova is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2014, 13:30   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: canada
Posts: 4,661
Re: Using generator power system with inverter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Nova View Post
Have had exceptionally good service from numerous Xantrax inverters.
had being the key word. now they are made in some 3rd world country and not in north America. the true charge 2 chargers last 1-2 years. the old true charge 1's are all still going strong and I've yet to see one die.
smac999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
generator, inverter


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Portable Inverter Generator or Reg. Generator? Hatch Liveaboard's Forum 54 15-06-2017 23:05
Inverter Draw is it relative to the appliance using it or the wattage of the inverter felixqld66 Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 5 06-06-2011 05:50
Generator vs Inverter Generator (Genset) Jon4399 Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 30 11-01-2011 09:13
Calculating Amps Drawn Before Inverter and After Inverter ? impi Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 23 26-09-2010 22:24
Using a generator to power an AC Cowboy Sailer Plumbing Systems and Fixtures 0 01-12-2008 06:42

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:47.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.