Switches - Is Up 'On' or 'Off'?

Wotname · 27-06-2009, 00:47

I am just in the middle of making my new switch panel and became interested to know what CF members thought of the rationale of toggle switch positions with regard to ON & OFF.

In Oz, it is customary to move the lever DOWN to switch the circuit ON.

What direction do you move the switch on your boat (or your country).

I am comfortable with either direction as in my field (avionics), it is customary to move the lever UP to switch the circuit ON and correct me if I am wrong but I understand this is the norm. in the USA.

GeoPowers · 27-06-2009, 01:23

Here if it is unlabeled, then up is ON and down is OFF, just like a light switch!

bobsadler · 27-06-2009, 01:52

gp: just like a light switch in the u.s. you mean

in a lot of the rest of the world - and certainly most of the former british empire - down is ON

clearsea · 27-06-2009, 03:12

Canada: up = on.

Annoying to buy a toggle switch that is not labelled. Only option is to test it before installation in a panel.

Wotname · 27-06-2009, 04:30

All the more reason to buy only "Double Throw" switches

GordMay · 27-06-2009, 04:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by clearsea

Canada: up = on.
Annoying to buy a toggle switch that is not labelled. Only option is to test it before installation in a panel.

North American (up = "on") SPST switches will have the terminals on the right hand side, when viewed from the front.
A single raised dot (braille ?) indicates the up (on) position on otherwise unlabelled switches.

This is just a matter of convention, so it doesn’t really matter which way you orient your switches; provided you remain consistent, and it makes sense (intuitive) to you.

SPST = Single Pole Single Throw

Note the missing (green) safety ground, in the picture. Tsk, tsk.

mesquaukee · 27-06-2009, 06:00

"Note the missing (green) safety ground, in the picture. Tsk, tsk."

And you won't, it's house wire in the picture. In Ontario it'salled NMD-7 wire. The ground is a bare wire that is attached to the ground screw on the box.

GordMay · 27-06-2009, 07:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by mesquaukee

... it's house wire in the picture. In Ontario it's called NMD-7 wire. The ground is a bare wire that is attached to the ground screw on the box.

Right.

A single-pole switch has two brass screw terminals. Both are hot leads for one incoming and one outgoing line (black). Those are all the wires that connect to the switch.

The neutral wires (white) tie together separately and the ground wires tie together separately in the box.

Many new switches include a (green) ground screw; others may not have one. If you have the choice, get a switch with a ground screw terminal. That's where the bare copper or green wire connects (& box gnd).

I can't see a (bare) ground wire in the first picture I posted.

Inkwell · 27-06-2009, 10:17

In the great state of Georgia. On = Up.

captain58sailin · 30-06-2009, 03:17

If you use the down = on for your panel, then you will confuse all the north americans and slow them down if they try to steal your boat.

phatch · 30-06-2009, 07:10

Yup, you have all resolved it. My visits throughout Africa, UK, etc. have all light switches down for on, whereas in the USA, the opposite applies. Wait until you try and sort out which plugs fits for what country's electrical outlet. That's fun.

rtbates · 30-06-2009, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay

Right.

A single-pole switch has two brass screw terminals. Both are hot leads for one incoming and one outgoing line (black). Those are all the wires that connect to the switch.

The neutral wires (white) tie together separately and the ground wires tie together separately in the box.

Many new switches include a (green) ground screw; others may not have one. If you have the choice, get a switch with a ground screw terminal. That's where the bare copper or green wire connects (& box gnd).

I can't see a (bare) ground wire in the first picture I posted.

Hey Gord:

I believe that I see the bare ground wire connected to the box's right side mounting screw.
I feel better. How about you??

James S · 30-06-2009, 11:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wotname

I am just in the middle of making my new switch panel and became interested to know what CF members thought of the rationale of toggle switch positions with regard to ON & OFF.

.

If something falls against the switches or sweeps the face of the panel would you prefer that the switches be turned on or off!

Wotname · 01-07-2009, 02:43

Ahh... I knew if I waited long enough, someone would bring this up.

So if I fall against the panel, I want everything to turn ON. That way, I will know from all the lights, strobes, pumps kicking in etc that I have "done" something. As none of the circuits are life threating, then it is a sort of "failsafe" mode.

But I like Capt58's reasonong also

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drew.ward · 01-07-2009, 08:02

Either direction is perfectly ok, but you should choose one way and stick with it throughout. Also, some of the reasoning for up being on is that it's more difficult to accidentally flip a switch upward than it is to accidentally hit it downward.

27-06-2009, 00:47	#1
Wotname Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Boat: Van DeStat Super Dogger 31' Posts: 1,250	Switches - Is Up 'On' or 'Off'? I am just in the middle of making my new switch panel and became interested to know what CF members thought of the rationale of toggle switch positions with regard to ON & OFF. In Oz, it is customary to move the lever DOWN to switch the circuit ON. What direction do you move the switch on your boat (or your country). I am comfortable with either direction as in my field (avionics), it is customary to move the lever UP to switch the circuit ON and correct me if I am wrong but I understand this is the norm. in the USA. __________________ All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangereous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T.E. Lawrence

27-06-2009, 01:52	#3
bobsadler Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lagos, Nigeria Boat: Nauticat 42 (Jersey, U.K.) Posts: 155	gp: just like a light switch in the u.s. you mean in a lot of the rest of the world - and certainly most of the former british empire - down is ON __________________ Bob SV Karen M http://www.freewebs.com/svkarenm/

27-06-2009, 04:30	#5
Wotname Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Boat: Van DeStat Super Dogger 31' Posts: 1,250	All the more reason to buy only "Double Throw" switches __________________ All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangereous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T.E. Lawrence

30-06-2009, 03:17	#10
captain58sailin Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Homer, AK is my home port Boat: Skookum 53' "Rose Posts: 413	If you use the down = on for your panel, then you will confuse all the north americans and slow them down if they try to steal your boat. __________________ "When you sit down to eat with the devil it is wise to use a long handled spoon"

30-06-2009, 07:10	#11
phatch Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Roodepoort, South Africa Boat: Sweet Pea, 24' - Reggie Posts: 16	Down is on Yup, you have all resolved it. My visits throughout Africa, UK, etc. have all light switches down for on, whereas in the USA, the opposite applies. Wait until you try and sort out which plugs fits for what country's electrical outlet. That's fun.

27-06-2009, 01:23	#2
GeoPowers Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Everett, WA Boat: Beneteau 393 Posts: 156	Here if it is unlabeled, then up is ON and down is OFF, just like a light switch!

27-06-2009, 03:12	#4
clearsea Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 87	Canada: up = on. Annoying to buy a toggle switch that is not labelled. Only option is to test it before installation in a panel.

27-06-2009, 06:00	#7
mesquaukee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Western Caribbean & ocassionaly inCanada Boat: Mesqua Ukee, Buccaneer 40 (Salar 40) Posts: 350	"Note the missing (green) safety ground, in the picture. Tsk, tsk." And you won't, it's house wire in the picture. In Ontario it'salled NMD-7 wire. The ground is a bare wire that is attached to the ground screw on the box.

27-06-2009, 10:17	#9
Inkwell Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: St. Simons Island, Ga. Boat: Hunter Legend 37.5 1993 Posts: 93	In the great state of Georgia. On = Up.

01-07-2009, 02:43	#14
Wotname Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Boat: Van DeStat Super Dogger 31' Posts: 1,250	Ahh... I knew if I waited long enough, someone would bring this up. So if I fall against the panel, I want everything to turn ON. That way, I will know from all the lights, strobes, pumps kicking in etc that I have "done" something. As none of the circuits are life threating, then it is a sort of "failsafe" mode. But I like Capt58's reasonong also . __________________ All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangereous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T.E. Lawrence

01-07-2009, 08:02	#15
drew.ward Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL Boat: Nomoboat -- yay Gustav ;) Posts: 240	Either direction is perfectly ok, but you should choose one way and stick with it throughout. Also, some of the reasoning for up being on is that it's more difficult to accidentally flip a switch upward than it is to accidentally hit it downward. __________________

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