Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

[Rusty123]

Does the belt manager function derate all functional specs equally, or just max output? For example, does the output curve still have the same shape, or is the peak just shaved off? And does the temp compensation (or small engine mode) cut the derated output by half? (In other words, if I derate a 100 amp alt by half, so that the max output is 50 amps, and then I engage small engine mode, is the max now 25 amps)?

Thanks.

Russ

[FlyingCloud1937]

Originally Posted by Rusty123

Does the belt manager function derate all functional specs equally, or just max output? For example, does the output curve still have the same shape, or is the peak just shaved off? And does the temp compensation (or small engine mode) cut the derated output by half? (In other words, if I derate a 100 amp alt by half, so that the max output is 50 amps, and then I engage small engine mode, is the max now 25 amps)?

Thanks.

Russ

No both modes chop the field on timer.

The belt load manger chops by percentage, adjustable.

and the.

Small engine mode shorts the alt temp switch to 50% irrespective of the belt load manager.

Neither affects the logic for voltage control between bulk/absorption/float.

lloyd

[Maine Sail]

Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937

No both modes chop the field on timer.

The belt load manger chops by percentage, adjustable.

and the.

Small engine mode shorts the alt temp switch to 50% irrespective of the belt load manager.

Neither affects the logic for voltage control between bulk/absorption/float.

lloyd

Belt Manager, formerly Amp Manager, cuts field output based on the setting level you choose.

It is not timer based and will remain in the program until you change it.

For example if you set up and limit a 125A alt to 85A when hot the alt will not exceed that unless you go back in and change the setting level in the programing mode.

Small engine mode basically shorts the temp circuit, as you described, but is not timer based. It will stay in that level of reduction until you flip the switch and give the temps sensor the control again.

[FlyingCloud1937]

Originally Posted by Maine Sail

Belt Manager, formerly Amp Manager, cuts field output based on the setting level you choose.

It is not timer based and will remain in the program until you change it.

For example if you set up and limit a 125A alt to 85A when hot the alt will not exceed that unless you go back in and change the setting level in the programing mode.

Small engine mode basically shorts the temp circuit, as you described, but is not timer based. It will stay in that level of reduction until you flip the switch and give the temps sensor the control again.

Sorry if it sounded like I said either had time function. I see were my words sounded as such, I said timer rather the field on-time.

I was speaking to the OP asked if either would effect the the charge profiles ie bulk/absorption/float.

Lloyd

[Maine Sail]

Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937

Sorry if it sounded like I said either had time function. I see were my words sounded as such, I said timer rather the field on-time.

I was speaking to the OP asked if either would effect the the charge profiles ie bulk/absorption/float.

Lloyd

I knew you knew that but did not know if the OP would understand if they were timed or not....

[CharlieJ]

RC-
I knew you knew but wasn't sure if the OP knew but your clarification made sure we all knew. ;-)

[Rusty123]

Huh?

Just kidding.

So as Btrayfors mentioned in my "contrarian" thread, it seems that the Balmar regulator, combined with a high cap alternator, and perhaps a serpentine belt, can in a way convert a small diesel into a generator, with the ability to return to propulsion duty at the flip of a switch. Not a cheap upgrade, but way less expensive than a standalone generator, and probably less than the solar setup that would be needed to perform similar recharge duties (not just topping off or maintenance).

Russ

[Rusty123]

Originally Posted by Rusty123

Huh? Just kidding. So as Btrayfors mentioned in my "contrarian" thread, it seems that the Balmar regulator, combined with a high cap alternator, and perhaps a serpentine belt, can in a way convert a small diesel into a generator, with the ability to return to propulsion duty at the flip of a switch. Not a cheap upgrade, but way less expensive than a standalone generator, and probably less than the solar setup that would be needed to perform similar recharge duties (not just topping off or maintenance). Russ

Maybe even more so with high acceptance batts, like TPPL or LiFePO4.

[Stu Jackson]

Thanks for mentioning BOTH features.

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Small Engine Mode - discussion with link to the picture of the toggle switch: Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

I've recently heard that a skipper in Turkey can't read the links, please let me know if they don't work for you.

Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937

No both modes chop the field on timer.

The belt load manger chops by percentage, adjustable.

and the.

Small engine mode shorts the alt temp switch to 50% irrespective of the belt load manager.

Neither affects the logic for voltage control between bulk/absorption/float.

lloyd

[Wraith_Mac]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Thanks for mentioning BOTH features.

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Small Engine Mode - discussion with link to the picture of the toggle switch: Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

I've recently heard that a skipper in Turkey can't read the links, please let me know if they don't work for you.

Stu,
Here's the message I get:
"Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!
Code 58"
I haven't been naughty so I don't know why I'm banned or what a "code 58" is.
None of my old 'Hawaii 50' vids have a code 58 either so I can't help there.
Cheers,
Mac

[Strait Shooter]

The links work for me.

[DeepFrz]

Works for me on FF and IE.

[Wraith_Mac]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

Works for me on FF and IE.

Ok,
Firefox no workee.
IE works fine, I thought I tried that last time but can't be sure.
Thanks for the note Deepfrz.
So it appears to be a Firefox issue, did work prior to the last two very recent upgrades.
Cheers,
Mac

[Rusty123]

Originally Posted by Wraith_Mac

Ok, Firefox no workee. IE works fine, I thought I tried that last time but can't be sure. Thanks for the note Deepfrz. So it appears to be a Firefox issue, did work prior to the last two very recent upgrades. Cheers, Mac

Works for me with Chrome and iOS.

[smac999]

Originally Posted by Rusty123

Huh?

Just kidding.

So as Btrayfors mentioned in my "contrarian" thread, it seems that the Balmar regulator, combined with a high cap alternator, and perhaps a serpentine belt, can in a way convert a small diesel into a generator, with the ability to return to propulsion duty at the flip of a switch. Not a cheap upgrade, but way less expensive than a standalone generator, and probably less than the solar setup that would be needed to perform similar recharge duties (not just topping off or maintenance).

Russ

why turn it off?... every boat should have a big alt and ext reg... I put a 180a alt, serp belt kit, ext reg on a small yanmar sail boat engine last year. I didn't put on any way of turning it off. runs fine.