Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-11-2013, 19:45   #1
Registered User
 
Rusty123's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Poulsbo, Washington
Boat: Spirit 28
Posts: 195
Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Does the belt manager function derate all functional specs equally, or just max output? For example, does the output curve still have the same shape, or is the peak just shaved off? And does the temp compensation (or small engine mode) cut the derated output by half? (In other words, if I derate a 100 amp alt by half, so that the max output is 50 amps, and then I engage small engine mode, is the max now 25 amps)?

Thanks.

Russ
__________________

__________________
Rusty123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 01:49   #2
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,205
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty123 View Post
Does the belt manager function derate all functional specs equally, or just max output? For example, does the output curve still have the same shape, or is the peak just shaved off? And does the temp compensation (or small engine mode) cut the derated output by half? (In other words, if I derate a 100 amp alt by half, so that the max output is 50 amps, and then I engage small engine mode, is the max now 25 amps)?

Thanks.

Russ
No both modes chop the field on timer.

The belt load manger chops by percentage, adjustable.

and the.

Small engine mode shorts the alt temp switch to 50% irrespective of the belt load manager.

Neither affects the logic for voltage control between bulk/absorption/float.

lloyd
__________________

__________________
FlyingCloud1937 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 06:59   #3
Marine Service Provider
 
Maine Sail's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Maine
Boat: CS-36T - Cupecoy
Posts: 3,060
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937 View Post
No both modes chop the field on timer.

The belt load manger chops by percentage, adjustable.

and the.

Small engine mode shorts the alt temp switch to 50% irrespective of the belt load manager.

Neither affects the logic for voltage control between bulk/absorption/float.

lloyd
Belt Manager, formerly Amp Manager, cuts field output based on the setting level you choose.

It is not timer based and will remain in the program until you change it.

For example if you set up and limit a 125A alt to 85A when hot the alt will not exceed that unless you go back in and change the setting level in the programing mode.

Small engine mode basically shorts the temp circuit, as you described, but is not timer based. It will stay in that level of reduction until you flip the switch and give the temps sensor the control again.
__________________
Marine How To Articles
Maine Sail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 12:00   #4
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,205
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
Belt Manager, formerly Amp Manager, cuts field output based on the setting level you choose.

It is not timer based and will remain in the program until you change it.

For example if you set up and limit a 125A alt to 85A when hot the alt will not exceed that unless you go back in and change the setting level in the programing mode.

Small engine mode basically shorts the temp circuit, as you described, but is not timer based. It will stay in that level of reduction until you flip the switch and give the temps sensor the control again.
Sorry if it sounded like I said either had time function. I see were my words sounded as such, I said timer rather the field on-time.

I was speaking to the OP asked if either would effect the the charge profiles ie bulk/absorption/float.

Lloyd
__________________
FlyingCloud1937 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 13:16   #5
Marine Service Provider
 
Maine Sail's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Maine
Boat: CS-36T - Cupecoy
Posts: 3,060
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937 View Post
Sorry if it sounded like I said either had time function. I see were my words sounded as such, I said timer rather the field on-time.

I was speaking to the OP asked if either would effect the the charge profiles ie bulk/absorption/float.

Lloyd
I knew you knew that but did not know if the OP would understand if they were timed or not....
__________________
Marine How To Articles
Maine Sail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 16:16   #6
Commercial Member
 
CharlieJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Boat: Gulfstar Long Range Trawler; 53'; BearBoat
Posts: 837
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

RC-
I knew you knew but wasn't sure if the OP knew but your clarification made sure we all knew. ;-)
__________________
Charlie Johnson
JTB Marine Corporation
"The Devil is in the details and so is salvation."
CharlieJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 17:51   #7
Registered User
 
Rusty123's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Poulsbo, Washington
Boat: Spirit 28
Posts: 195
Huh?

Just kidding.

So as Btrayfors mentioned in my "contrarian" thread, it seems that the Balmar regulator, combined with a high cap alternator, and perhaps a serpentine belt, can in a way convert a small diesel into a generator, with the ability to return to propulsion duty at the flip of a switch. Not a cheap upgrade, but way less expensive than a standalone generator, and probably less than the solar setup that would be needed to perform similar recharge duties (not just topping off or maintenance).

Russ
__________________
Rusty123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 18:41   #8
Registered User
 
Rusty123's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Poulsbo, Washington
Boat: Spirit 28
Posts: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty123 View Post
Huh? Just kidding. So as Btrayfors mentioned in my "contrarian" thread, it seems that the Balmar regulator, combined with a high cap alternator, and perhaps a serpentine belt, can in a way convert a small diesel into a generator, with the ability to return to propulsion duty at the flip of a switch. Not a cheap upgrade, but way less expensive than a standalone generator, and probably less than the solar setup that would be needed to perform similar recharge duties (not just topping off or maintenance). Russ
Maybe even more so with high acceptance batts, like TPPL or LiFePO4.
__________________
Rusty123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 19:39   #9
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,389
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Thanks for mentioning BOTH features.

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Small Engine Mode - discussion with link to the picture of the toggle switch: Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

I've recently heard that a skipper in Turkey can't read the links, please let me know if they don't work for you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937 View Post
No both modes chop the field on timer.

The belt load manger chops by percentage, adjustable.

and the.

Small engine mode shorts the alt temp switch to 50% irrespective of the belt load manager.

Neither affects the logic for voltage control between bulk/absorption/float.

lloyd
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 20:51   #10
Registered User
 
Wraith_Mac's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia
Boat: Avon Rib, 65hp
Posts: 304
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu Jackson View Post
Thanks for mentioning BOTH features.

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

Small Engine Mode - discussion with link to the picture of the toggle switch: Alternator heat, Regulator Controls, Small Engine Mode

I've recently heard that a skipper in Turkey can't read the links, please let me know if they don't work for you.
Stu,
Here's the message I get:
"Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!
Code 58"
I haven't been naughty so I don't know why I'm banned or what a "code 58" is.
None of my old 'Hawaii 50' vids have a code 58 either so I can't help there.
Cheers,
Mac
__________________
NEW SCIENCE: You fund the research and we provide the desired facts.
NEW ECONOMICS:See Above, obfuscation extra.
Wraith_Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 20:53   #11
Registered User
 
Strait Shooter's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Straits of Juan De Fuca
Boat: Ingrid
Posts: 786
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

The links work for me.
__________________
"Waste your money and you’re only out of money, but waste your time and you’ve lost a part of your life.” (Michael Leboeuf)
Strait Shooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 21:52   #12
Senior Cruiser
 
DeepFrz's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Winnipeg
Boat: None at this time
Posts: 7,930
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Works for me on FF and IE.
__________________
The Blue Dot Campaign. This Changes Everything.
DeepFrz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 22:29   #13
Registered User
 
Wraith_Mac's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia
Boat: Avon Rib, 65hp
Posts: 304
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepFrz View Post
Works for me on FF and IE.
Ok,
Firefox no workee.
IE works fine, I thought I tried that last time but can't be sure.
Thanks for the note Deepfrz.
So it appears to be a Firefox issue, did work prior to the last two very recent upgrades.
Cheers,
Mac
__________________
NEW SCIENCE: You fund the research and we provide the desired facts.
NEW ECONOMICS:See Above, obfuscation extra.
Wraith_Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 22:39   #14
Registered User
 
Rusty123's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Poulsbo, Washington
Boat: Spirit 28
Posts: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith_Mac View Post
Ok, Firefox no workee. IE works fine, I thought I tried that last time but can't be sure. Thanks for the note Deepfrz. So it appears to be a Firefox issue, did work prior to the last two very recent upgrades. Cheers, Mac
Works for me with Chrome and iOS.
__________________
Rusty123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 23:38   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: canada
Posts: 1,700
Re: Question about Balmar external regulator belt manager

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty123 View Post
Huh?

Just kidding.

So as Btrayfors mentioned in my "contrarian" thread, it seems that the Balmar regulator, combined with a high cap alternator, and perhaps a serpentine belt, can in a way convert a small diesel into a generator, with the ability to return to propulsion duty at the flip of a switch. Not a cheap upgrade, but way less expensive than a standalone generator, and probably less than the solar setup that would be needed to perform similar recharge duties (not just topping off or maintenance).

Russ

why turn it off?... every boat should have a big alt and ext reg... I put a 180a alt, serp belt kit, ext reg on a small yanmar sail boat engine last year. I didn't put on any way of turning it off. runs fine.
__________________

__________________
smac999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:53.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.