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Old 25-08-2011, 19:34   #31
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Re: Electrical Connection Advice, Please

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a trick i have used, use a short piece of the correct size copper tubing for a butt connector, sleeve the small wire with the prober size butt connector or another smaller section of copper tube Crimp the whole mess just like a standard butt connector and shrink wrap it You should easily find a short piece of 3/8"" and 1/4;; tubing even in the third world
Just out of curiosity, how does one make a T connection using a butt connector? The OP clearly said it's against his religion to cut the "pencil thickness" wire, so how do you connect the butt splice to an uncut wire?
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Old 25-08-2011, 19:47   #32
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Re: Electrical Connection Advice, Please

If he uses the split bolt copper lugs (great idea)
Should he use some anti corrosion electrical grease on the bared wires?
Keeps water out prevents wire corrosion, this is the kind that you normally use on aluminum service entrance cables, before wrapping on that tape?
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Old 25-08-2011, 19:57   #33
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Before you reduce the integrity of that must be important cable (moisture ingress, scaring of the conductors) can you not find a better alternative?
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Old 25-08-2011, 20:18   #34
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Should he use some anti corrosion electrical grease on the bared wires?
Yup... Vaseline would work fine.
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Re: Electrical Connection Advice, Please

Mark,

Go into Prickly Bay and walk out to the road that goes behind the marina (used to be called the "Old Dusty Highway", but it is paved now). About a half mile down that road on the left is a very good electrical supply store with good prices and lots of inventory. They will have split bolt connectors.

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Old 25-08-2011, 20:56   #36
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they do make a liquid electrical tape with a brush applicator.
brush it on let it dry, might be all it needs.
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Old 26-08-2011, 06:07   #37
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(used to be called the "Old Dusty Highway", but it is paved now). About a half mile down that road on the left is a very good electrical supply store . Mark
Thanks Mark,
Thats Southern Electrics, I think.
I was in there the other day, actually, looking for something else.
I'll take a wonder down there today.

By the way, paved or not, its still dusty!


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Old 27-08-2011, 16:02   #38
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Re: Electrical Connection Advice, Please

It’s not a good idea to solder a connection. That part of the wire gets hard and after it has vibrated for a wild it will brake. That’s the reason way you use wires with several thin copper strands. They can stand the vibrations. The terminals of the wire are of the same reason crimp and not soldered.
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Mark, that "split bolt" connector is essentially the same as a "bulldog connector" aka cable clamp used to secure an eye in wire cables. Any hardware or fencing supplier will have them, galvanized metal not copper but so what?

I've rather do it as adamante suggested. Strip back an inch or two or insulation, wrap the end of your #10 wire around the cable a few times, and then solder. Reinsulate with butyl or silicon tape to make it waterproof, and use a strain relief of some kind, even if that is just a zip tie holding two inches of the #10 further down to the cable.

I'd rather have a clean solder joint (oh no, the solder-vs-crimp debate!) than just clamp the wire on.

Remember, once upon a time Western Union used to TIE KNOTS to splice telegraph cables. A Western Union Splice still works!
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A scotch lock will do the trick- very quick and easy , can get them in automotive type places , doubt there are any near you Else bare the wire dont cut through , solder then wrap insulating tape around it, failing that bare the wire, twist both ends to untwine then braid the other wire through it.
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Why not cut the wire and make a proper termination? Anything else is just bad workmanship and will result in failure from corrosion. Do the job properly 1 time or a crap job you will have problems with. JMO
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Re: Electrical Connection Advice, Please

As far as I know, Yellow are the largest Scotch Locks commonly available, suitable for #12 → 10GA wire. I believe that Mark was tapping a #10 into a larger (?#4?) cable run.
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As far as I know, Yellow are the largest Scotch Locks commonly available, suitable for #12 → 10GA wire. I believe that Mark was tapping a #10 into a larger (?#4?) cable run.
Thats right. I think the larger wire is 4AWG. Does that sound right? Its 6mm in diameter.

I did it with the hose clamps as sugested earlier and the connection s seem very strong. Yes, I agree its not what you would find on a new Oyster.

One thing with Kapena's post is that with a 'proper' terminal ending I would need a big clamper thingy for battery connections. Use it once and throw the thing away? One just can't spend money on a new tool for every job on the boat, same as one can't spend $50 per set of connections. Not harping back to those stupid threads about 'cruising the world on $500 per month', but I am on VASTLY more than that but I MUST scrimp and save every day on every job. Trying to use creativity and advice to do something for free with what I have available.

I have to buy a new Genoa, Bimini and main cover; plus get a dodger frame and canvas made... then davits at some time.... None of that will ever happen unless I can solve little problems without using much cash


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Re: Electrical Connection Advice, Please

mark--i have 4 solar panels that join into one cable to my now dead regulator---in pair a dice i found i can use a slightly larger wire nut for a while iff i use a lot of electrical tape. as i remove my panels from deck before i sail, this has worked for a while--each time i stay somewhere i fix it up.. now my regulator is dead, i dont have to worry about it for a minuet.
will this work until you get the right pieces?
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