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13-07-2018, 11:24
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Charging dinghy from mothership
Hi all,
I have a solar/electric dink setup that I love, but I want to find a way to also charge it from the mothership’s bigger solar system and battery bank when needed. I have an auto battery charger/maintainer, but this seems it would be inefficient as it would have to run on AC 110v off the mothership’s inverter.
What is the best way to hook up the dinghy batt to the mothership if I want to charge?
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13-07-2018, 11:36
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
I assume it's not as simple as just creating a connection to my house battery bank. I'm thinking of something that will top it up overnight at anchor.
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13-07-2018, 12:18
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
A few thoughts:
1. If you charge from the house bank overnight, with no other charge source, you will deplete the house bank. Can you afford the AmpHours "lost"?
2. You can certainly charge the dink from your boat system. Might be best to use an echo charger or charge relay that diverts charge from the house bank when the house bank is already charged, much like used to charge a start battery. An advantage is this works whatever charge source your house bank is using: solar, wind, shore AC or engine.
3. Some solar controllers have a "load" output that diverts unused solar power to another load. This can be used to charge your dink without depleting the house bank.
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13-07-2018, 12:26
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Charging a single battery from a large battery bank
Jamhass,
Thanks so much for your reply.
1. If you charge from the house bank overnight, with no other charge source, you will deplete the house bank. Can you afford the AmpHours "lost"?
Yes. House bank is almost 500ah and dinghy batt is only 105ah... also dinghy batt is not totally discharged and house bank should be full at end of day.
2. You can certainly charge the dink from your boat system. Might be best to use an echo charger or charge relay that diverts charge from the house bank when the house bank is already charged, much like used to charge a start battery. An advantage is this works whatever charge source your house bank is using: solar, wind, shore AC or engine.
Thanks. Is it as simple as hooking something like this up between my house bank and dinghy batt when I want to charge? - https://www.amazon.com/Xantrex-82-01.../dp/B0016G8RT8
3. Some solar controllers have a "load" output that diverts unused solar power to another load. This can be used to charge your dink without depleting the house bank.
Good to know.
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14-07-2018, 05:15
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
Sterling DCDC charger if the dinghy batt is worth the expense.
It is **very** inefficient going from batt to batt,
you could easily be reducing House lifespan by a lot if this is a regular thing
much better all round if you can charge the dinghy from an actual source, like solar during the day, or dino juice.
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14-07-2018, 08:46
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
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Originally Posted by john61ct
you could easily be reducing House lifespan by a lot if this is a regular thing
much better all round if you can charge the dinghy from an actual source, like solar during the day, or dino juice.
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I believe you, but just curious why this would be. My house bank is nearly 500ah of new fla golf cart batts. Dink battery is a new 105ah AGM. If the AGM was partially discharged, say down to showing 12.0V and the house bank is fully charged, would charging it really pull the house bank down that far?
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14-07-2018, 10:24
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
My solution was to install a female cigarette lighter recepticle in the transom is Seaweed. There was a Beckson plate nearby so I also have a place to stash the charger. Well, it's really the cut off wires from a real battery charger wired to a male lighter plug.
Prior to the cigarette recepticle install I used these
I do not charge so much as equalize with the boat. In other words, Algae's battery level is the same as Seaweed's by morning. I have been using this technique for several years. Installing the outlet at the transom was a big improvement. I should have done that long before.
Then I upgraded:
Good luck.
Side note: Even if your dinghy battery was flat and required 50 amps to fully recharge, that's a very low percentage of your house bank. I would not be concerned.
P.S. - You may find these articles of use:
http://janice142.com/Articles/TrollingMotor Woes.html
And
Janice142 article More Trolling Motors
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14-07-2018, 10:30
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
Standard ciggie sockets are IMO a dangerous abortion, avoid like the plague for anything important, or that you use regularly, or for more than a few minutes. inherently poor design, IMO a dangerous abortion,* avoid like the plague
Never more than 5-6A and for short periods, even then they are risky.
Blue Sea has a nice socket design that twist-locks with the matching plug, but will also accept standard ciggie plugs for smaller (<10A) loads.
Also the BMW/ Hella/ Merit/ Powerlet "Euro-style DIN" (ISO 4165) style is very robust.
Anderson plugs for high amps. *
If you standardize on one of the last two types, there are adapters for guests, temporary use of devices with standard ciggie plugs.
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* any battery charging should be considered high amps
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14-07-2018, 10:32
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
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Originally Posted by Peregrine1983
I believe you, but just curious why this would be.
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Not a matter of degree, the concept is flawed from the get go.
Only a tiny fraction of input power makes it into storage.
Moving it from one storage to another is triply wasteful.
And every cycle is a little slice of bank death, you only have so many.
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14-07-2018, 18:02
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
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Originally Posted by jamhass
...use an echo charger...
Some solar controllers have a "load" output that diverts unused solar power to another load. This can be used to charge your dink without depleting the house bank.
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This.
Don't connect directly to house bank.
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14-07-2018, 19:32
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Re: Charging a single battery from a large battery bank
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Originally Posted by Peregrine1983
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Yes...But ...
As already noted, use a "proper" connector, one at least rated for the current the echo charger (or ANY charge source) is capable of delivering. Moreover, make sure to properly fuse the connector on the BOAT side.
One additional advantage of an echo charger is that it (should) limit the current to a level your wiring can safely handle.
For example: "simply" connecting your dink battery to the house can be dangerous. A depleted dink bat connected directly to a fully charged house bank can induce very high currents, potentially leading to damage to the wiring, connectors, etc, even leading to the possibility of fire. Consider that you would never (or should never) try to jump-start your car with a home-style extension cord.
Additionally, connecting directly to either battery (just like jumping your car) can cause sparking and possible fire due to the hydrogen released by the batteries.
Were it me, I would also add a heavy-duty switch or circuit breaker in the system so that the act of connecting the dink wiring to the boat does not instantaneously cause the current to flow and arcing to occur.
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14-07-2018, 19:41
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
The Echo charger will only work when an active charge source raises voltage.
It is limited to 15A, and will not go over 14.4V.
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08-08-2018, 17:53
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
With the house bank at 12.6 and the trolling motor battery at 12.2( usually it's even higher than that)
the voltage differential and resistance from the extension cord limits the amperage using a regular 12 gauge extension cord. This is what I do and I checked to make sure the cord didn't get warm and have a 15 amp circuit breaker next to the house battery that it's connected to. Use at your own risk though . The yellow cord is going to my house Bank the other orange cord goes to another solar panel so during the day the two panels hooked directly to the dinghy battery thru a controller so I haven't had problems with too much current during the day when my house voltage is as high as 14.8.
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08-08-2018, 18:01
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
Too low for effective charging, really need an active charge source, and not allow transfer from bank to bank when none active.
Not saying can't be done, but not a good idea to post as a reco for others to follow, too many complex variables and negative consequences other than just safety issues.
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08-08-2018, 18:10
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Re: Charging dinghy from mothership
Even just a couple amp flow will make the batteries the Same or close to it by morning. 12.4 or so so it really needs to be hooked up during the day or have extra solar panels like I do.
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