Best Way to Cut 2/0 to 4/0 Battery Cable - Page 2

rustypirate · 02-11-2009, 17:47

This is what I use:
- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

s/v Jedi · 02-11-2009, 20:09

Those Sears cutters are not for cable. And I don't believe a human can cut 4/0 with those either.

A cable cutter has hollow blades. I use the small one from Ancor and need two or three cuts to go through a 4/0. It works fine though.

A hacksaw is troublesome. Sure it cuts through any size cable but you won't be able to insert it into the correct size lug after that. The trick with the plastic cable ties is a way around the problem. Also, you can't cut short pieces cable with it because the saw will rip strands out of the cable (this is all first hand experience ;-). I tried the Dremel too and it is much better than the hacksaw but a good cutter beats that tool too.

cheers,
Nick.

S&S · 02-11-2009, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankZ

Until you realize it doesn't fit.

Aww, that's what step drills were made for.

bobfnbw · 02-11-2009, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Those Sears cutters are not for cable. And I don't believe a human can cut 4/0 with those either.

A cable cutter has hollow blades. I use the small one from Ancor and need two or three cuts to go through a 4/0. It works fine though.

A hacksaw is troublesome. Sure it cuts through any size cable but you won't be able to insert it into the correct size lug after that. The trick with the plastic cable ties is a way around the problem. Also, you can't cut short pieces cable with it because the saw will rip strands out of the cable (this is all first hand experience ;-). I tried the Dremel too and it is much better than the hacksaw but a good cutter beats that tool too.

cheers,
Nick.

Nick, ya mean Bill LIED to me? OMG...
lol..
anyway I ordered the set, will get it in a few days, and then I will report back on how it cuts cable. If it sux... I am sure it can be used in other ways...
I have a rotozip and metal cutting wheels, I can use that, but presently no power onboard so.... a human powered way is preferable.

I ordered a ton of stuff from genuine dealz.. and gregsmarine on e bay as well. Got 2/0 cable for a good price with very fast shipping and it was Berkshire cable. Looked good. I got pacer 4/0 from Peter Kennedy... as well as 6 g from someplace else...

Just trying to figure out all the odds and ends this job will require is making my head spin..

Got the Blue sea systems stuff in the other day, and its pretty darn nice.
360 panel for the ac and dc side, and their heavy duty buss... pretty sweet.
Pictures will be posted when finished....
LOL.. in 2012 !

Bob

Stillraining · 03-11-2009, 00:27

Iv cut and striped 16 gage to 0000 for years with these...about 30 bucks...fits in your back pocket too.

GordMay · 03-11-2009, 04:23

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Originally Posted by Maine Sail

If you can find a Berkshire Wire dealer their UL 1426 marine battery cable is considerably more flexible, a handy feature with 4/0, than Ancor, Cobra or Pacer wire is...

Can you explain how Berkshire comes to make more flexible wire & cable?

The Berkshire Electric Cable Co. Website says nothing about strand size & count (which generally determines “flexability”), except compliance /w UL 1426 BC5W2 Marine Listed Boat Cable specs, which requires Type 3 stranding. Ancor, Cobra, & Pacer all manufacture to these same specs.

Maine Sail · 03-11-2009, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay

Can you explain how Berkshire comes to make more flexible wire & cable?

The Berkshire Electric Cable Co. Website says nothing about strand size & count (which generally determines “flexability”), except compliance /w UL 1426 BC5W2 Marine Listed Boat Cable specs, which requires Type 3 stranding. Ancor, Cobra, & Pacer all manufacture to these same specs.

I think it is their jacket that is softer and more flexible and it could be the irradiating process that is done to the jacket that helps make it more flexible? I have used it side by side to other brands and it is certainly easier to flex and bend in the larger gauges. Cobra seem to be the stiffest. Don't know why exactly but I have experience with all the big brands Ancor, Pacer, Berkshire & Cobra and the Berkshire is just easier to work with in large sizes..

Maine Sail · 03-11-2009, 05:46

I tried to do a little experiment and while far form conclusive it showed, me at least, why I like Berkshire's flexibility.

The wires below were at 35.7 degrees, or the temp of my barn this morning. I placed them vertically on a piece of counter top in my barn and bent them over with one hand.

The black wire is Berkshire 2 ga and the red is Cobra 2 ga. The red wire resisted until it twisted out to the side, as seen, it did not want to bend at the radius of the Berkshire. I did try and hold them identically and they were both held in the same lay they had been stored in to be as fair as possible to each other.

This is Berkshire 2/0 wire at 35.7 degrees f. It was very easy to bend to this radius. Unfortunately I did not have any scrap 2/0 of other brands and the only different brands I had were all in 2 ga..

Again, certainly not very conclusive but it backs up my experience with Berkshire's flexibility.

Sorry for the poor photos..

GordMay · 03-11-2009, 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maine Sail

I think it is their jacket that is softer and more flexible and it could be the irradiating process that is done to the jacket that helps make it more flexible ...

It could be the jacket; but I was hoping you'd noticed a higher strand count.
You morning bend test does seem fairly suggestive, even if not scientifically conclusive - and I don't doubt your conclusion.
I've never noticed an appreciable difference between quality marine cables, but don't specifically recall using Berkshire.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
Your photo-essays are a treasure.

rustypirate · 04-11-2009, 00:49

Can anyone confirm that the Berkshire cable is tinned? I did not see that on their site, though they did state that it was "Marine" cable.

Maine Sail · 04-11-2009, 04:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustypirate

Can anyone confirm that the Berkshire cable is tinned? I did not see that on their site, though they did state that it was "Marine" cable.

Yes, it is most definitely tinned.

Blue Stocking · 04-11-2009, 04:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stillraining

Iv cut and striped 16 gage to 0000 for years with these...about 30 bucks...fits in your back pocket too.

Ditto

bobfnbw · 08-11-2009, 09:41

OK, made my first battery cables yesterday.
First impressions, cutting with the zip tool using a dremel metal cutting wheel is... not good.
Getting a clean cut is hard, and vaporized copper and plastic goes everywhere.
I ordered the sears tool, both of them, should have been here several days ago.. but still not, so can't comment on that, except to say that sears shipping sux.

Going to harbor frieght today to get the cheapo cutter.. and we will see.

BTW, I have berkshire cable, ancor and pacer. The bershire seems to be more flexible, but when pushed, all are a bout the same. I believe it is due to the outer insulation being somewhat different.
Yes it is all tinned wire.
Getting the rubber boot over the cable seems to be pretty time consuming as well.
I am using a ancor HD cable crimper and it works beautifully. Also using HD adhesive shrink tubing from genuine dealz. Works well.
Pictures when done.

03-11-2009, 00:27	#20
Stillraining Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Puget Sound Boat: Irwin 41 CC Ketch Posts: 1,014	Iv cut and striped 16 gage to 0000 for years with these...about 30 bucks...fits in your back pocket too. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Go simple, go large!". Relationships are everything to me...everything else in life is just a tool to enhance them.

03-11-2009, 05:46	#23
Maine Sail Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maine Boat: CS-36T - Cupecoy Posts: 376	I tried to do a little experiment and while far form conclusive it showed, me at least, why I like Berkshire's flexibility. The wires below were at 35.7 degrees, or the temp of my barn this morning. I placed them vertically on a piece of counter top in my barn and bent them over with one hand. The black wire is Berkshire 2 ga and the red is Cobra 2 ga. The red wire resisted until it twisted out to the side, as seen, it did not want to bend at the radius of the Berkshire. I did try and hold them identically and they were both held in the same lay they had been stored in to be as fair as possible to each other. This is Berkshire 2/0 wire at 35.7 degrees f. It was very easy to bend to this radius. Unfortunately I did not have any scrap 2/0 of other brands and the only different brands I had were all in 2 ga.. Again, certainly not very conclusive but it backs up my experience with Berkshire's flexibility. Sorry for the poor photos.. __________________ -Maine Sail CS-36T Cupecoy Maine Sail's Sailing Photo Galleries

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02-11-2009, 17:47	#16
rustypirate Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 45	This is what I use: - Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

02-11-2009, 20:09	#17
s/v Jedi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Boat: Sundeer 64 - Jedi Posts: 1,519	Those Sears cutters are not for cable. And I don't believe a human can cut 4/0 with those either. A cable cutter has hollow blades. I use the small one from Ancor and need two or three cuts to go through a 4/0. It works fine though. A hacksaw is troublesome. Sure it cuts through any size cable but you won't be able to insert it into the correct size lug after that. The trick with the plastic cable ties is a way around the problem. Also, you can't cut short pieces cable with it because the saw will rip strands out of the cable (this is all first hand experience ;-). I tried the Dremel too and it is much better than the hacksaw but a good cutter beats that tool too. cheers, Nick.

04-11-2009, 00:49	#25
rustypirate Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 45	Can anyone confirm that the Berkshire cable is tinned? I did not see that on their site, though they did state that it was "Marine" cable.

08-11-2009, 09:41	#28
bobfnbw Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Corpus Christi Texas Boat: Endeavour 40 Sloop Posts: 445	OK, made my first battery cables yesterday. First impressions, cutting with the zip tool using a dremel metal cutting wheel is... not good. Getting a clean cut is hard, and vaporized copper and plastic goes everywhere. I ordered the sears tool, both of them, should have been here several days ago.. but still not, so can't comment on that, except to say that sears shipping sux. Going to harbor frieght today to get the cheapo cutter.. and we will see. BTW, I have berkshire cable, ancor and pacer. The bershire seems to be more flexible, but when pushed, all are a bout the same. I believe it is due to the outer insulation being somewhat different. Yes it is all tinned wire. Getting the rubber boot over the cable seems to be pretty time consuming as well. I am using a ancor HD cable crimper and it works beautifully. Also using HD adhesive shrink tubing from genuine dealz. Works well. Pictures when done.