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Old 19-11-2014, 00:56   #46
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Re: Battery combiner not working with low voltages

Hello all,

So had the electrician on and after a lot of testing mentioned here said the combiner unit was faulty.

I carry a spare (a whisper unit) which was installed and it worked perfectly. That's two of these combiners I've had fail now.

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Hello all,

So had the electrician on and after a lot of testing mentioned here said the combiner unit was faulty.

I carry a spare (a whisper unit) which was installed and it worked perfectly. That's two of these combiners I've had fail now.

Glad it's all fixed though!



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Re: Battery combiner not working with low voltages

Thanks,

As I'm going to be heading across the pacific in a few months I might pick that one up as a spare.

These 'smart' controllers seem to be too smart for their own good and after heading of a lot of people having the same issue I don't trust them at all.

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Re: Battery combiner not working with low voltages

Simon,

Glad you got it fixed.

The simplest backup would be to install a battery on/off switch across the big terminals. Inside that's really all these charge devices are. They just remember when to turn on and off. But you can remember too.
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Thanks,

As I'm going to be heading across the pacific in a few months I might pick that one up as a spare.

These 'smart' controllers seem to be too smart for their own good and after heading of a lot of people having the same issue I don't trust them at all.

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I have never really liked the Cyrix. It seems to be nothing more than a cheap automotive headlight relay with some voltage logic. The terminals and spacing are rather lame lame and not even nickel plated or tinned.

The Blue Sea ACR or the Yandina Combiner have been 100% reliable for me and I have never seen a failure of either that was not caused by lightning. Even so every boat should have the ability to cross connect/parallel & isolate the banks for emergencies.

I even have an ML-500 ACR from Blue Sea combining a bow bank and a house bank for charging/powering a bow thruster. The thruster is rated at 400A!! (not my idea!!) The owner locks it manually (switch at the helm) to the house bank when using the thruster to get over 600Ah's behind the 400A thruster and the thing has been passing this type of current now for over 6 years.

I once snapped the plastic case on a Yandina in 5F weather. I called and asked to buy a new case, and they refused. They shipped me a new case for no charge even after I admitted snapping it was my own fault.!

The Yandina Combiner has an unconditional lifetime warranty!! It is sad that the Cyrix is giving "combiners/VSR's" a bad name.

This technology, when using Blue Sea or Yandina, has proven to be one of if not the most reliable pieces of electronic gear I install. Don't get down on the class of products because Victron sold you an automotive-grade headlight relay at marine prices.... Victron does make some good gear but they also make some stuff that is very questionable. I guess my gut feelings on the product were accurate. Thanks for confirming....
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Yandina Combiner have been 100% reliable for me and I have never seen a failure of either that was not caused by lightning.

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I once snapped the plastic case on a Yandina in 5F weather. I called and asked to buy a new case, and they refused. They shipped me a new case for no charge even after I admitted snapping it was my own fault.!

The Yandina Combiner has an unconditional lifetime warranty!!
Unconditional.

We lost two 14yr old Yandina combiners (actually, West Marine brand that Yandina made for them) in a lightning strike and Yandina had no problem replacing them for free.

14yr old. Bought from, and branded by, another company. Damaged by lightning. Yandina offered replacement without any questions asked.

I don't know of any other company in any industry with a warranty like that.

For disclosure, we did not replace with Yandina because we were out of the country and shipping would cost more than the units. We replaced with Blue Seas ACR's which work very well. However, they do not have the same warranty, and seem to use a bit more power (inconsequential given the application).

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Simon,

Glad you got it fixed.

The simplest backup would be to install a battery on/off switch across the big terminals. Inside that's really all these charge devices are. They just remember when to turn on and off. But you can remember too.
+1 I got them to install this while they replaced the unit so I have this as a backup in case this other unit fails.
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Re: Battery combiner not working with low voltages

Hi Simon,

While you were working on this did you move the primary charging connections to the house battery bank or leave them on the starter?

If you are planning long distance cruising and live aboard I think you will have much results charging the house bank directly and combining to the start battery. I understand that isn't the standard practice in the UK but from all my understanding (with a degree in electrical engineering) and research and from the recommendations of all the top marine electricians I know of this seems to be the best approach.
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Re: Battery combiner not working with low voltages

Smart chargers are sometimes too smart for their own good.
Bring an automobile charger with you and use it to bring the voltage up then the smart charger will take over.
Cheap and nice to have as backup.


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