Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 01-06-2018, 15:44   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: French Polynesia
Boat: Allied 39
Posts: 720
Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

I have a old Balmar Alternator Temp sensor that I want to use on my Balmar regulator ARS-4

The wire is to short and I need to add another 5' to the wire length.

Repeated emails to Balmar have gone unanswered

Will the temp sensor wire still work if I add 5' to its length?

Thanks

Chuck
__________________

__________________
www.jacarandajourney.com
chouliha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2018, 16:10   #2
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 26,450
Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Is this 5í extra to the already full length, or is this one used and was cut short and your returning it to close to original length?
Either way I see no reason it wonít work, the thing canít carry much power if itís works the way I think it does, however you want to be very careful not to add any resistance, if it works they way I think it does.

Oh, and pretty sure you can call them too. I have called myself before, once anyway.
__________________

a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2018, 16:14   #3
Jd1
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Victoria, BC
Boat: Catalina 36 MKII
Posts: 1,104
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Yes, it will work just fine!
Jd1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2018, 17:24   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: French Polynesia
Boat: Allied 39
Posts: 720
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Quote:
Originally Posted by a64pilot View Post
Is this 5’ extra to the already full length, or is this one used and was cut short and your returning it to close to original length?
Either way I see no reason it won’t work, the thing can’t carry much power if it’s works the way I think it does, however you want to be very careful not to add any resistance, if it works they way I think it does.

Oh, and pretty sure you can call them too. I have called myself before, once anyway.
Its 5' longer(extra) than the new one.

Indeed I may call them from Tahiti.
__________________
www.jacarandajourney.com
chouliha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2018, 18:17   #5
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 26,450
Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

OK Iím not real smart, but Iím pretty sure there are ways to use Internet telephony and it only cost a small amount of data to make a phone call.

I think, but am not positive that the temp sensor works by varying resistance, it could be a thermocouple I guess, but I wouldnít think so.
Either way, a poor splice will make it read incorrectly, so be sure the splice and the wire ends are bright and clean, and ideally heat shrunk and hot glue to prevent future corrosion.
Iíd stay with the same gauge wire.

If you do it, you can of course watch voltage output to make sure itís real close to what it is set for, I doubt where you are there should be much temp compensation. If it changes the set point by much at all, it didnít work.
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2018, 00:41   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: French Polynesia
Boat: Allied 39
Posts: 720
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Quote:
Originally Posted by a64pilot View Post
OK Iím not real smart, but Iím pretty sure there are ways to use Internet telephony and it only cost a small amount of data to make a phone call.

I think, but am not positive that the temp sensor works by varying resistance, it could be a thermocouple I guess, but I wouldnít think so.
Either way, a poor splice will make it read incorrectly, so be sure the splice and the wire ends are bright and clean, and ideally heat shrunk and hot glue to prevent future corrosion.
Iíd stay with the same gauge wire.

If you do it, you can of course watch voltage output to make sure itís real close to what it is set for, I doubt where you are there should be much temp compensation. If it changes the set point by much at all, it didnít work.


I will try the splice thanks

Regarding the internet here in Raiatea well letís say it redefines poor internet. We start getting excited when we see the mps rise more than .10 (Yes that .10). )))

Cheers
__________________
www.jacarandajourney.com
chouliha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2018, 04:45   #7
Marine Service Provider
 
Scott Berg's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Aboard
Boat: Seaton 60' Ketch
Posts: 1,133
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

1) as long as you don't introduce resistance to the circuit you can indeed lengthen a resistor based temp probe (same for fridge ones)

2) good crimps and heat shrink are the key

3) I'm surprised you couldn't reach Balmar by phone, they provide very good tech support. We keep a 'skype out' account that lets us call any phone in the world from our 'US' number via Skype, VERY reasonable and there are other similar systems...
__________________
Scott Berg
WAōLSS
SV CHARDONNAY
Scott Berg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2018, 05:12   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
GordMay's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 35,960
Images: 241
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Berg View Post
1) as long as you don't introduce resistance to the circuit you can indeed lengthen a resistor/thermister based temp probe (same for fridge ones)...
Balmar's Alt Temp Sensor is a Thermister type.
https://www.scribd.com/document/2714...-Sensor-Manual
Because thermistors have a high nominal resistance, lead-wire resistance (length) does not appreciably affect the accuracy of their measurements.
In addition to the 54" model, Balmar also has a Battery Temperature Sensor with 20 Ft. lead.
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/balma...ecs-_-DY-_-PDP
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2018, 12:33   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: French Polynesia
Boat: Allied 39
Posts: 720
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Berg View Post
1) as long as you don't introduce resistance to the circuit you can indeed lengthen a resistor based temp probe (same for fridge ones)

2) good crimps and heat shrink are the key

3) I'm surprised you couldn't reach Balmar by phone, they provide very good tech support. We keep a 'skype out' account that lets us call any phone in the world from our 'US' number via Skype, VERY reasonable and there are other similar systems...
Thanks Scott

#2 We also have a skype account but you have to have decent internet --band width here is very very poor
__________________
www.jacarandajourney.com
chouliha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2018, 12:35   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: French Polynesia
Boat: Allied 39
Posts: 720
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
Balmar's Alt Temp Sensor is a Thermister type.
https://www.scribd.com/document/2714...-Sensor-Manual
Because thermistors have a high nominal resistance, lead-wire resistance (length) does not appreciably affect the accuracy of their measurements.
In addition to the 54" model, Balmar also has a Battery Temperature Sensor with 20 Ft. lead.
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/balma...ecs-_-DY-_-PDP
Thanks Gord - We will lengthen the one we have in hand.
__________________
www.jacarandajourney.com
chouliha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2018, 13:27   #11
Marine Service Provider
 
Maine Sail's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Maine
Boat: CS-36T - Cupecoy
Posts: 3,045
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

As has been stated extending it is fine. The batt temp and alt temp sensors are the same other than wire length and the hole sizes in the lugs..
__________________
Marine How To Articles
Maine Sail is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2018, 11:36   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Boat: Bruce Roberts 44' Steel Mauritius
Posts: 764
Re: Balmar Alt Temp Sensor to short

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
As has been stated extending it is fine. The batt temp and alt temp sensors are the same other than wire length and the hole sizes in the lugs..
Thanks for the link
__________________

Mithril Bham is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
balmar

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Balmar MC614 temp sensor Jd1 Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 26 03-04-2019 16:14
How to Properly Program Balmar 614 and High Output Alt zboss Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 7 01-05-2018 19:03
Balmar Alt-mount on 3GM30f - belt too long? phantomracer Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 22 28-03-2018 09:33
Balmar alt/reg issue - Incorrect Field Voltage markperil Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 26 15-12-2014 18:37
Max charge 614 question about alt temp sense betachz Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 4 29-09-2013 17:54



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:26.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.