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Old 11-08-2018, 16:23   #1
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Sold on a 450. Dammit!

Well,
I知 driving home now after spending the afternoon with my broker and we toured a few different boats. I知 pleasantly ticked off because, well, my wife, I and my two kids love the L450.

Pleasant because I知 glad that the reality of the boat lived up to the expectations I had built in my head altering hearing you all talk about it.

Ticked because now I have to get one and no other build will do. I wish I could have felt the same way walking onto a model half the price but oh well....

We checked out the owners version and the charter version and (just my luck) there was no contest there - it would have to be an outrageously good deal for me to consider anything but an owners version at this point.

Just wanted to say thanks to you all for the pointers/advice. Putting the home up this spring with the hope to launch mid/late 2019 or first part of 2020. Plenty of time to make well-informed decisions and keep my eye out for the deal of the century.

DAMMIT!!!
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Congrats!

Would three kids have made a difference in your decision? Love the idea of the owners version and having the kids on the other side of the boat, but the kids may all need their own space.
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Well,
I知 driving home now after spending the afternoon with my broker and we toured a few different boats. I知 pleasantly ticked off because, well, my wife, I and my two kids love the L450.

Pleasant because I知 glad that the reality of the boat lived up to the expectations I had built in my head altering hearing you all talk about it.

Ticked because now I have to get one and no other build will do. I wish I could have felt the same way walking onto a model half the price but oh well....

We checked out the owners version and the charter version and (just my luck) there was no contest there - it would have to be an outrageously good deal for me to consider anything but an owners version at this point.

Just wanted to say thanks to you all for the pointers/advice. Putting the home up this spring with the hope to launch mid/late 2019 or first part of 2020. Plenty of time to make well-informed decisions and keep my eye out for the deal of the century.

DAMMIT!!!
How do you feel about needing a step ladder to touch the gooseneck?

BTW..love where you live. I used to reside on the other side of Mathers bridge while attending FIT.
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Old 11-08-2018, 20:39   #4
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Well,

I知 driving home now after spending the afternoon with my broker and we toured a few different boats. I知 pleasantly ticked off because, well, my wife, I and my two kids love the L450.



Pleasant because I知 glad that the reality of the boat lived up to the expectations I had built in my head altering hearing you all talk about it.



Ticked because now I have to get one and no other build will do. I wish I could have felt the same way walking onto a model half the price but oh well....



We checked out the owners version and the charter version and (just my luck) there was no contest there - it would have to be an outrageously good deal for me to consider anything but an owners version at this point.



Just wanted to say thanks to you all for the pointers/advice. Putting the home up this spring with the hope to launch mid/late 2019 or first part of 2020. Plenty of time to make well-informed decisions and keep my eye out for the deal of the century.



DAMMIT!!!


Congratulations, a great boat I think.

We owned an L450 for 6 years until Irma took her down. Loved the boat.

The fly bridge is awesome! The boat sails very well for such a fat cat. We did the Atlantic crossing west bound on her, in less than perfect weather, and she handled brilliantly. Up and down the Carib in perfect comfort. We even raced her in the Heineken Regatta a few years for a laugh and she did great against others in our class.

The fly bridge is a great place to hang out while Sailing. I also found that the visibility from there was very good.and we were mostly not affected by spray/waves. Of course the trade off is the high boom. Had to climb up a few times for issues which were made more difficult because of the height, but I still think it was worth it.

The one thing my wife would have done differently is the cabins. We had an owner version, which is great. However, when our kids and their friends all wanted to join us, we wished we had the 4th cabin.

Cheers!!
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Old 12-08-2018, 09:55   #5
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They're great boats!
We were aboard a number of them in the Caribbean, they make great family boats.
One of the best boats we spent time on just got listed for sale, it is very well kept up. Grab it while you can!:
https://www.denisonyachtsales.com/ya...eorges/6780234
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Re: Sold on a 450. Dammit!

I know of an absolute killer 450 owners version that is about to come on the market. Its not only loaded with great gear, but also comes with tons of toys. She is pretty much ready to hop on a go cruising.

I have no connection to the boat other than I cruised with the current owners for 2 years. Not sure if you are ready to buy yet, but if you are interested, PM me and I can put you in contact with the owners.
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:55   #7
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How do you feel about needing a step ladder to touch the gooseneck?

BTW..love where you live. I used to reside on the other side of Mathers bridge while attending FIT.
I'll be darned! Mathers bridge is right down the road, how cool.

Yea, that step up will be more of an issue with some than others. I'm a fairly tall guy at 6'3" so I can pretty easily step right on to the roof of the salon if needed without too much effort, but I've seen some folks put in an aftermarket step between the two forward salon portholes to assist in the maneuver.

Reminds me of the tailgates they put in the ford trucks now where there's a step that folds down from the top of the liftgate and a pole that props up so you can have a handhold while stepping into and out of the truck.

My biggest issue is this sort of boat is at the far top end of my price range as I was hoping to pay cash and not have to take out a loan. It seems that I may end up needing a small loan after all unless the deal of the century comes about and it passes a solid survey.
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Old 12-08-2018, 11:09   #8
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Congratulations, a great boat I think.

We owned an L450 for 6 years until Irma took her down. Loved the boat.

The fly bridge is awesome! The boat sails very well for such a fat cat. We did the Atlantic crossing west bound on her, in less than perfect weather, and she handled brilliantly. Up and down the Carib in perfect comfort. We even raced her in the Heineken Regatta a few years for a laugh and she did great against others in our class.

The fly bridge is a great place to hang out while Sailing. I also found that the visibility from there was very good.and we were mostly not affected by spray/waves. Of course the trade off is the high boom. Had to climb up a few times for issues which were made more difficult because of the height, but I still think it was worth it.

The one thing my wife would have done differently is the cabins. We had an owner version, which is great. However, when our kids and their friends all wanted to join us, we wished we had the 4th cabin.

Cheers!!
Hey there Catopia, good to know about your thoughts on the heads/layout. I thought the same thing before getting on it in person but having been there, holy smokes I can't imagine how you couldn't fit 20 people on there haha! Yea, they might not have a 'cabin' but they'd definitely have plenty of places to sleep especially if they were anything like me as a kid. Shoot, I can't imagine the fight I'd put up to be able to grab a blanket/pillow and crash out on the trampoline covered in bug spray :-) Heck, at my age even, I still may...

Since this is going to be a liveaboard I figured we (the wife and I) would very much appreciate the privacy the owner's hull would provide us but then again - it's not like we'd ever be cruising with strangers so... who knows.

My broker was telling me that whenever he chartered a 450, it seemed everybody wanted to be on the flybridge, even when at anchor because the breezes and the views were so much better. I know it sure does give a ton of extra seating options...

Thanks for sharing your experiences, I'll be opening my mind a bit further to consider a non-owner version setup.
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Old 12-08-2018, 11:34   #9
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Yea, that step up will be more of an issue with some than others. I'm a fairly tall guy at 6'3" so I can pretty easily step right on to the roof of the salon if needed without too much effort, but I've seen some folks put in an aftermarket step between the two forward salon portholes to assist in the maneuver.

Reminds me of the tailgates they put in the ford trucks now where there's a step that folds down from the top of the liftgate and a pole that props up so you can have a handhold while stepping into and out of the truck.
I don't think it was the step up onto the salon roof he was referencing. It's the fact that once on the salon roof, you need to climb 3 tall steps up the mast to secure the main sail at the end of the day.
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I don't think it was the step up onto the salon roof he was referencing. It's the fact that once on the salon roof, you need to climb 3 tall steps up the mast to secure the main sail at the end of the day.
Ah, I misunderstood! Yea, I'm not thrilled about that. Then again, I'm not thrilled at the fact that I have the perfect face for radio but here I am making do. I imagine I'll do the same should my day ever come on the 450
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Old 12-08-2018, 14:37   #11
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I don't think it was the step up onto the salon roof he was referencing. It's the fact that once on the salon roof, you need to climb 3 tall steps up the mast to secure the main sail at the end of the day.

There is no need to climb any steps to secure the mainsail. Slide a boat hook up inside the lazy bag to grab the halyard and pull it down, put it through a snap hook on a strop tied to mast base and then tighten the halyard - really simple and easy to do. We very rarely use the steps on the mast. In fact they are so rarely used they are gummed up. We have cruised this boat 4 years full time. We started out moaning about the high boom, then quickly worked out how to manage it and it's not the big drama it is made out to be.
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Just another point about the high boom, any one shorter than 5ft 3 (is not going to get their head clocked by the boom on the cabin top when gybing or the boom is swinging in sloppy seas - one less worry for younger children. We once had a 38 ft dagger board cat with mainsheet and traveller running across the cockpit rear beam. We did an accidental gybe once, the mainsheet caught me on the back of the neck and a block disintegrated causing a shrapnel wound to my wife's leg. Having raced monohulls and cats over many years the low boom is not something to be envied on a cruising boat, especially those that have sun beds parked just a couple of feet below the boom.
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Great choice! You should check out the 450S. I know Bean Counter would prefer one
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Well,
I’m driving home now after spending the afternoon with my broker and we toured a few different boats. I’m pleasantly ticked off because, well, my wife, I and my two kids love the L450.

Pleasant because I’m glad that the reality of the boat lived up to the expectations I had built in my head altering hearing you all talk about it.

Ticked because now I have to get one and no other build will do. I wish I could have felt the same way walking onto a model half the price but oh well....

We checked out the owners version and the charter version and (just my luck) there was no contest there - it would have to be an outrageously good deal for me to consider anything but an owners version at this point.

Just wanted to say thanks to you all for the pointers/advice. Putting the home up this spring with the hope to launch mid/late 2019 or first part of 2020. Plenty of time to make well-informed decisions and keep my eye out for the deal of the century.

DAMMIT!!!
:-) If you get a good boat at a good price, you can't go wrong with an L450. It's a gorgeous yacht.
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