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Old 23-06-2018, 17:28   #1
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Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

We sail a 2010 421. New to it, and sailing.

Can anyone explain why we donít have a boom-end outhaul for the main? There is room, one sheave sits unused.

Also, our 3rd reef line passes through a grommet without the benefit of a block, like the other two. Why is this? Weight? Safety?

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Old 23-06-2018, 17:39   #2
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

If no outhaul, how is the clew secured?
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Old 23-06-2018, 17:44   #3
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

Tied down to the end of the boom with several turns of lashings. The foot is free.
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

Sounds like previous owner didn't realise the importance or concept behind the out haul. I would reinstate one.

The blocks are on the leach of the main I assume, nice luxury and makes for easier reefing. Third reef is not often used by most so I guess they saved some cost there. Cringle should be fine for the third reef, see how you go with resistance when you have a practice run. It will depend on how much resistance you already have.

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Old 23-06-2018, 18:02   #5
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

I donít think they come standard with an adjustable outhaul. There is no mention in the manual.

Yes, re the blocks. The reason I ask is that the 3rd reef line sometimes can take a while to ďshake outĒ, so OCD me wants everything to look tidy. 🤪
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

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Tied down to the end of the boom with several turns of lashings. The foot is free.
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Sounds like previous owner didn't realise the importance or concept behind the out haul. I would reinstate one.

The blocks are on the leach of the main I assume, nice luxury and makes for easier reefing. Third reef is not often used by most so I guess they saved some cost there. Cringle should be fine for the third reef, see how you go with resistance when you have a practice run. It will depend on how much resistance you already have.

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If no outhaul, how is the clew secured?
Doesnt sound like a factory arrangement to me. PO likely just lashed it down...maybe a provisional fix to a problem.

I agree, re route an adjustable outhaul.
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Old 23-06-2018, 18:47   #7
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

So, do Lagoons come with outhauls as standard? Where do they lead to?
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Old 24-06-2018, 01:02   #8
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

They do not come with outhaul as standard. (at least, none of the several models I've seen / sailed, inc mine - 450F).

Standard setup for Lagoon Square top main is for the clew to be lashed back to the ring at the back of the boom, (pretty tightly) with a strap holding it down to the boom.

Reefing lines for Reef#1 and #2 are continuous line for tack and clew, but reef #3 only generally does the clew, and the tack has to be clipped onto a ring at the mast. There should be a strap with a clip attached to the main for this.

There are a number of people on here who have rigged their main differently, but it is after-market rigging.

Hope that helps.

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Old 24-06-2018, 03:50   #9
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

Thanks Mark. So does that mean that having an adjustable outhaul doesnít make much of a difference, given that Lagoon decided not to install one?
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So, do Lagoons come with outhauls as standard? Where do they lead to?
Ive sailed a lot of Lagoons, but dont recall at the moment. Realistically most cruising boats rarely touch their outhauls anyway so not a big loss for most.
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Old 24-06-2018, 07:29   #11
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Thanks Mark. So does that mean that having an adjustable outhaul doesnít make much of a difference, given that Lagoon decided not to install one?
Caveat: I'm pretty new at this, and my sail trim isn't pretty average as yet, but no, I've not seen any issues with the way it is rigged. I'd say its tension is 'moderate to tight'.

From my limited understanding, the main time you'd want to let out the outhaull, is light wind, or downwind. With the cat, and the inability to let the boom out very far, I find that we're better off with a light air sail for those conditions. (not that I own one yet, soon though).

It would not surprise me if adding an outhaul to tighten up when going closehauled might help. I think there are a couple of people here who have switched a reefing line to be an Outhaul, perhaps they can comment.
Hope that helps !.
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Old 24-06-2018, 07:42   #12
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

Thanks BelizeSailor and Mark. Very helpful.

We donít have a light wind sail yet either. I figure itís better to understand the two sails we have properly, before getting into something more.

Weíre currently setting up new running rigging. Hence the questions.

(Making spliced ends in double braid without experience or fids is proving interesting. 🤪 )
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Old 24-06-2018, 07:45   #13
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

Another reefing line question: what is the purpose of the jammers (2) located under the boom at the gooseneck for the reefing lines? They run to jammers at the helm anyway, and only hold the outboard end, if I am correct?
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Old 24-06-2018, 09:36   #14
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

The reason and usefulness of the outhall at the clew of your mainsail is so you can tighten or slack the sail at this point for the wind conditions. This is an important part of proper sail trim. In general this outhall line travels from the clew of the sail and passes over a shive then down through the inside of the boom like your three reefing lines and it exits out the boom at the mast. Note that some older booms these same lines pass along the outside the boom and not through the inside. Once the line reaches the mast it then passes over another shive or through a block and can be routed to a cleat. The three reefing lines also make this passage but are most often routed to the deck then aft so you can control them from the helm.
You slack these lines a bit in light airs and tighten them as the wind picks up or anytime your sailing close to the wind.
Good sail trim is very important and setting up your boat to do so effectively will indeed increase the fun factor when your out there.
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Re: Questions re Outhauls and Reefing lines

Thanks, SIberian Sea
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