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Thalas · 14-09-2018, 14:17

What is the reasoning in Lagoon moving their mast aft? There must be a benefit, but I always thought that in sailing, it's better to pull the boat rather than push it through the water.

CbroTheDude · 14-09-2018, 14:47

The pics do seem distorted

ANJOKA · 14-09-2018, 15:25

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Originally Posted by ssmoot

Maybe the aspect ratio on the layout images is just stretched, but they make the boat look incredibly porky?

Maybe it's my imagination, but I don't think I've seen another cruising catamaran with as wide hulls to length/beam. But maybe all that extra width is above the waterline? It does seem to flare out quite a bit under the... bridge deck? Salon sole? I'm not sure what the correct term is. I guess while I'm at it, is there a specific term for hull width on a catamaran or is it just "hull beam"?

Any thoughts?

Really nice hull interiors though. And happy to see the large forward salon vents/pass-throughs becoming a standard feature on most new boats.

Images are distorted, hull specs are almost identical to the 450 (length, beam and draft)

1.5 tons heavier

harvey hellman · 15-09-2018, 06:09

This model is 1 foot longer than my 440 and 4 tonnes heavier, yes it’s nice but my 440 is more functional and I just don’t get the big holes in the rear roof to get to the flybridge, make the rear cockpit wet for no real benefit

rom · 15-09-2018, 07:32

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Originally Posted by ANJOKA

Images are distorted, hull specs are almost identical to the 450 (length, beam and draft)

1.5 tons heavier

Nope, the L46(F) is actually slightly bigger and slightly lighter than the L450F (You probably compared it to the L450S).

Edit; L46 also has more sail area than L450F (140 vs 129).

davedindubai · 15-09-2018, 11:38

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Originally Posted by harvey hellman

This model is 1 foot longer than my 440 and 4 tonnes heavier, yes it’s nice but my 440 is more functional and I just don’t get the big holes in the rear roof to get to the flybridge, make the rear cockpit wet for no real benefit

This is one of the main benefits for buying the S over the F. If it's raining, our whole cockpit stays nice and dry.

There's a ton of other benefits but I don't want to stir too much. OK then, faster, lighter, more protected helm, lower boom, more social under sail.... i could go on

ANJOKA · 15-09-2018, 11:48

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Originally Posted by rom

Nope, the L46(F) is actually slightly bigger and slightly lighter than the L450F (You probably compared it to the L450S).

Edit; L46 also has more sail area than L450F (140 vs 129).

Maybe I’m wrong. This is what I saw

rom · 16-09-2018, 08:43

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Originally Posted by ANJOKA

Maybe I’m wrong. This is what I saw

Yes, as I said you are comparing a L46 (Flybridge) to a L450S (Sportop, no flybridge). That is not fair. You should compare the L46 to the L450F which is 16.9t.

ANJOKA · 16-09-2018, 10:10

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Originally Posted by rom

Yes, as I said you are comparing a L46 (Flybridge) to a L450S (Sportop, no flybridge). That is not fair. You should compare the L46 to the L450F which is 16.9t.

Sorry again I did not realize that!

Cheers!

Saleen411 · 16-09-2018, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Thalas

What is the reasoning in Lagoon moving their mast aft? There must be a benefit, .

Probably has something to do with having a "stripper pole" in the middle of the saloon. I could see the benefit of that!

CatNewBee · 16-09-2018, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Saleen411

Probably has something to do with having a "stripper pole" in the middle of the saloon. I could see the benefit of that![emoji3]

It is a sacrifice to introduce a self tacking jib instead of the genoa. I prefer the old design.

Square stripper poles are kind of odd, aren't they...

davedindubai · 16-09-2018, 11:44

The amount of miles we have done under genoa alone is incredible. A self tacking jib would be a huge downside for me.

fxykty · 16-09-2018, 14:21

My understanding is that fore triangles are getting larger (by moving the mast aft) and mainsails smaller for exactly the reason Dave sites - furling headsails are easier to reef than a mainsail and more effective downwind without chafing on the rig. An extreme example is the mastfoil rig on Chris White designs.

Regarding self tacking jibs, with a larger fore triangle their size is larger than the more traditional fractional rig self tacker with large mainsail and small jib. Smaller than a genoa sure, but the smaller size and self tacking are a great convenience upwind in trade winds. Downwind run a gennaker or Code sail if the self tacker is too small. As their website states, this is exactly what racing boats are doing for reaching and running racing.

The square pole is of course the mast support. I notice they really try to blend it in with the reflective SS to visually minimise it. How about instead turn it into an art installation with vinyl wrap, or put a hanging garden on it. It’s really not that bad and the salon is very open despite it.

CatNewBee · 17-09-2018, 00:44

It is an odd design, and I personaly do not like it.

But it is not that important for me anyway, I chose the 400S2 with the old rigging, mast upfront in the salon and not in the way in the entrance with bigger main and genova + code zero on the bowsprit. Much better and more spatious than the new Lagoon 40.

I wonder, why the main cat manufacturer are so reluctant to introduce inmast furling for the main, especially when they minimize the main sail size by moving the mast back.

The Amel and other seaworthy monohulls show, it is a mature technology.