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Old 08-02-2018, 18:01   #16
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Re: Letís talk about where our Lagoons have taken us.

Sheís taken us all up & down the Eastern Caribbean islands from the BVIís to Grenada.

Sorry no pic to post but Google a view of Admiralty Bay in Bequia from Peggyís Rock and we are currently anchored off Princess Margaret beach.
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Minerva Reefs, 250nm south of Tonga. https://youtu.be/VbcfyFvffko
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Old 08-02-2018, 19:33   #18
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Pickersgill Harbour, Fiordland, New Zealand. Captain Cook tied up in this exact spot 240 years earlier to observe the transit of Venus.
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Old 08-02-2018, 20:51   #19
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Pickersgill Harbour, Fiordland, New Zealand. Captain Cook tied up in this exact spot 240 years earlier to observe the transit of Venus.
Nice photo, Dave.

BTW, Lt. James Cook also compared his vessel to the catamarans of the Maori, and noted their superior sailing ability. Something many modern monohull sailors still don't appreciate. I'm sure Cookie would have loved your Lagoon 450.
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Old 08-02-2018, 21:36   #20
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Nice photo, Dave.

BTW, Lt. James Cook also compared his vessel to the catamarans of the Maori, and noted their superior sailing ability. Something many modern monohull sailors still don't appreciate. I'm sure Cookie would have loved your Lagoon 450.
I am sure he would take L 400 anyday against his wooden mono. And observe how wonderful, fast and joyful sailing can be with all his posessions on board.
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Old 08-02-2018, 23:13   #21
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I am sure he would take L 400 anyday against his wooden mono. And observe how wonderful, fast and joyful sailing can be with all his posessions on board.
Yeah, but he'd probably would have had to rid himself of some of Endeavour's compliment of 94 and chucked some of the ten 4 pound cannon. Unless he traded up to a L620!
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Yeah, but he'd probably would have had to rid himself of some of Endeavour's compliment of 94 and chucked some of the ten 4 pound cannon. Unless he traded up to a L620!
Trouble with your L620 option is that he would not even bother going ashore much and would eventually lose the funding of investors, if he bothered to return to UK at all.

Regardless, thanks to these early pioneers, we can today enjoy real sailing in crafts that have proven most successful in human colonization history.
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All around Australia and now cruising Indonesia
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Big Manta rays adoring our Lagoon 400 in Ouvea atoll. One seem to be particularly shocked from the beauty.
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Weíve seen quite a lot since we started and been on the move more than most. Iím looking forward to slowing down our travels and seeing more of the places we visit. Hereís our route so far covering 9,000nm. We got lucky and bought the perfect boat for us and I must say Iím pleasantly surprised by how well Susan Ann II has looked after us.
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... up to now logged 1200nm in 3 weeks in the Med, to Corsica, Bonifacio Strait, Tyrhenian sea, Sardienia, the Volcano islands, Strait of Messina, Ionian sea around the Italian boot and now heading to the Adriatic sea and Croatia.

It will be over 2000nm in 5 weeks.

The L400 is slow beating winward and does not point very well, but damn comfortable. We do 60% motoring unfortunately. The wind in this region and sailing direction is not favorable, we have to beat against it a lot up to 20kn and 2kn of stream, or there is no wind at all, frequently changes directions, several squalls...

We use to anchor most of the time and we are completely self-sufficient (water, energy, needed only 200l fuel after 3 weeks). We motor on one engine at 1500..2000rpm or motor-sail at 4-5kn in calm conditions. Than we need 1.4l/h. Once a day I run the engine at max 3000rpm for 5min for cleaning.

We would sail slower, but unfortunately we have a tough schedule.
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... up to now logged 1200nm in 3 weeks in the Med, to Corsica, Bonifacio Strait, Tyrhenian sea, Sardienia, the Volcano islands, Strait of Messina, Ionian sea around the Italian boot and now heading to the Adriatic sea and Croatia.

It will be over 2000nm in 5 weeks.

The L400 is slow beating winward and does not point very well, but damn comfortable. We do 60% motoring unfortunately. The wind in this region and sailing direction is not favorable, we have to beat against it a lot up to 20kn and 2kn of stream, or there is no wind at all, frequently changes directions, several squalls...

We use to anchor most of the time and we are completely self-sufficient (water, energy, needed only 200l fuel after 3 weeks). We motor on one engine at 1500..2000rpm or motor-sail at 4-5kn in calm conditions. Than we need 1.4l/h. Once a day I run the engine at max 3000rpm for 5min for cleaning.

We would sail slower, but unfortunately we have a tough schedule.
Sounds fun. 60 % motoring is better than what i heard from others in Med. Re upwind, I have learned to keep hulls glued to the sea, no pounding as this slows down and increases tacking angle. Even if you go 50 app. in flat water one can do 90 deg tacks. This pic in in 10 kn wind and 4.2 kn boat speed, boat fully loaded.

You think 1 x per day running at 3000 rpm is enough ? I read in manual one should do it every 2 hours. The other option is racing engine (repeat 5 x max rpm in idle as per manual), which is what I do, so not to overstress saildrives, etc.
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To tack in 90į with a 400 is quite challenging, if you want to sail at 4kn in light winds of 6-8kn TWS. Its then more like 110...120į, but maybe I need a little more practice.

I get close to 90 when there is more wind so, but then still slow. The L400 starts really to move at 47į AWA, anything below is more drifting than sailing with the genoa (jib) and main sail close hauled according the manual (-30cm traveller, main sheet close hauled, so the boom is inline with the middle of the deck), motorsailing let you point up to 30į with some benefit from the sails up.

Using the code 0, I can point maximum 60į to the wind and tack at 140, so this is not an option for upwind

But if you know some tricks to get closer upwind, I am keen to learn.
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To keep the pounding low is not easy in the Med, the wind shifts too often and the sea is very confused, swell is comming fromdifferent directions at the same time, its quite bumpy to the wind With following seas and motorsailing you can surf all day long the one wave....
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To keep the pounding low is not easy in the Med, the wind shifts too often and the sea is very confused, swell is comming fromdifferent directions at the same time, its quite bumpy to the wind With following seas and motorsailing you can surf all day long the one wave....
sea state makes large difference. WIth 2 reefs I managed optimal windward angle at 38 apparent in 3 m seas and 25 headwind doing around 6 kn. I thought this is pretty good as drive was comfortable and under AP. Waves were orderly and little pounding. It was open ocean. As we got some waves generated by current, pounding increased dramatically, and I had to turn on engines under low revs to keep speed just right to remove pounding. Then these vawes disappeared anf again was able to sail. In med, you probably cant experience orderly waves of any height. You just may need to do what you do and use engines at the right speed. However, lagoon manual instructions for upwind are no good. First find angle where pounding decreases, i usually 'search' for it in 3 degrees steps. Once found that angle, adjust sails for that wind angle. My experience is that at 40 deg apparent mainsail traveller has to be slightly on leeward side, like 20 cm, and jib loosened just a bit. At 50 degrees app, mainsail traveller needs to be 3/4 of the way to leeward limit and jib opened quite bit. You will notice boat going smoother with less effort and slightly faster.

On average, I sail upwind using apparent angle 38.

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