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Old 09-06-2007, 06:59   #1
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Lagoon Diesel-Electric Problems

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I have heard from two different sources (delivery crews) that this year's new diesel electric catamarans due to cross the atlantic for owners/charter in the caribean have experienced difficulties with the diesel electric control system.
In one case after lagoon supplied a complete set of new batteries the cat was still port-bound awaiting specialist help with the control system and had to run the generator in port to keep boat systems running.

I also heard of other boats experiencing similar difficulties, unable to go to sea until technical problems were resolved.

I'm a believer in this new technology and I am seriously considering investing in a new Lagoon 41 with the electric system. Any questions you put to dealers/lagoon are obviously going to have a bias so -
Anyone out there got hands-on experience - maybe the stories aren't true!

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Old 09-06-2007, 08:40   #2
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If you are talking about the Lagoon 420, there is a long thread on this board of which new and prospective owners talk extensively about the electric propulsion system. The 420's currently in charter in BVI have not had any significant problems, except excessive fuel consumption. Everyone is relating this to A/C usage. Twin diesels have been burning less fuel then the one generator charging the battery banks. go to search and type in 420 Lagoon, happy reading. I'll be aboard a chartered 420 next Monday and will report back to this board.

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Old 09-06-2007, 09:56   #3
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You can get the whole story, at least from what the owner knows, here: Aboard Dignity (Lagoon 420) - Blog

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Old 09-06-2007, 10:22   #4
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I am the owner of the boat with a second set of batteries. Feel free to read my blog - remember this is my perspective on the whole incident. The one thing I have learned in this this whole episode is that noone really communicates well (including the delivery companies who don't even seem to know what day is what) and the approach to problem management is not the same as I would expect of myself. But then I'm in a very different industry.

The CatCo folks have really tried hard to keep me up to date with what's going on and I'm grateful to them for that. Despite the disappointments I remain bowled over by this boat - I know the risks I took being one of the first 20 hulls and I have benefited from this financially - hugely.

Bear in mind the negative stories seem to get round a lot more quickly than the positive ones. As owners we remain in touch with each other and there are already owners with very positive experiences of the manufacturer and the boat performance.

Evan - very much looking forward to hearing your experiences.
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Old 09-06-2007, 15:22   #5
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We are trying to stay very positive. We do have a few concerns. We hope she is arriving today or tomorrow, have not heard from Doug or TMM in a few days. Doug is putting in the A/C himself when she arrives. Barney, from TMM said the davits were not installed in France and CatCo was going to install them, hopefully before June 17th. No A/C would be a deal breaker for us, but there probably won't be any boats available by then, so we would be S.O.L. I could deal with towing the dinghy, but would not be thrilled about it, we fish a lot. This has been a nerve racking experience and needless to say, we will not charter a boat that is brand new and still in France. I am sure the owner is not thrilled about this ordeal. We are on vacation, and will always pay the extra $$$ for A/C, so money is not an issue, comfort is.
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I am amazed that the new 420s coming out of the factory has only one battery charging equipment: the smart generator. We are interested in this technology to see if it would be a good replacement for our ageing Yanmars. I have been in contact with other electric drive suppliers and like the idea. Currently we have 500watts of solar charge capabality, a 6kVa Panda Fisher genset, 2 x 125Amp alternaters on the 30hp Yanmars. On a hot summers day we can get well over 20amps from our solar panels!! This I think would be ideal and a necessecity in the tropics on Lagoon 420. What are the owners take on this?
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Delivery of any new boat is always a hassle. The Cat I had delivered to the BVI was a conventional boat but was still almost a month late. In my case it had nothing to do with the boat but dealt with other issues. Sail2Wind, I would not worry about if the boat does not make it ontime. The CatCo will find you another boat even if it is with another company. Numerous charters on the 420's have been rebooked. Late boats happen all the time.
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I am amazed that the new 420s coming out of the factory has only one battery charging equipment: the smart generator.
I think you're missing the key point about this boat. It has *two* forms of charging. For your long term cruiser your primary form of charging is regeneration and your secondary is is the generator. In charter mode with short hops and greater dependencies on consumption the regeneration is not going to cover all needs so the genset becomes primary.

This will be my last comment on this thread - I ask that we move this conversation over to the main Lagoon 420 thread. It's in your interest as there are nearly 30,000 readers on that thread.
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Delivery of any new boat is always a hassle. The Cat I had delivered to the BVI was a conventional boat but was still almost a month late. In my case it had nothing to do with the boat but dealt with other issues. Sail2Wind, I would not worry about if the boat does not make it ontime. The CatCo will find you another boat even if it is with another company. Numerous charters on the 420's have been rebooked. Late boats happen all the time.
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Sail2Wind is chartering through TMM, not CatCo although it is possible your statement is still true. I know CatCo have reciprocal arrangements with other companies in the area whereby they swap time on boats so they can cover situations like this. Pretty decent arrangement.

Ok - so this is my last. Over to http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...fans-5250.html
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I guess my point is: with so called the "green" boat why aren't any natural resources used for charging, especially with sooo much sun in the tropics, and those tradewinds. You are right, for short hops you are using a lot more deisel(more than non-electric cats) making it not really a "green" boat!
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I too am suprised there are no solar panels. The prop regeneration in a good idea, and Lagoon has specific details on it's web site. The Island Spirit is was on last year had solar panels on the canopy.
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Does anyone have any experience or additional info with boats with the OSSA diesel electric systems installed? They appear to be being installed in the new Broad Blue 415 and the 43 Leopard. If there's another blog here that I missed, let me know.

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Why not go to the search box and put in ossa 43 Leopard
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Hear Catana my be installing one (some)?
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