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Old 05-02-2015, 07:12   #91
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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

When I first got interested in buying a cat and was studying same I read something from an old salt I thought was smart: "Always buy the smallest sailboat that you can live with, not the biggest."
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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

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That's a different boat... the X5 SAIL is a new model, and built by a new yard called XQUISITE YACHTS in South Africa.


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Yes I see that now - it looks like it has a bit of a 'Dean' flare - I hope those guys (Dean) are not behind it - don't like their business style much!
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That's a different boat... the X5 SAIL is a new model, and built by a new yard called XQUISITE YACHTS in South Africa.


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Not new, a rebadged Dean catamatans 50ft that contributed in sending Dean catamarans to the recievers. Big tooling costs. Is Dean still involved in the background?

Impi being of SA origin I thought you would have recognised it.

Certainly xcusite pricing.
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When I first got interested in buying a cat and was studying same I read something from an old salt I thought was smart: "Always buy the smallest sailboat that you can live with, not the biggest."
I don't mean to be argumentative but how many dollars are waisted with people following that line and then end up upgrading to a larger vessel once, twice, three times or more. Isn't it logical to select what is optimum for you taking ALL things into account? Yes even the creature comforts.
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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

i am looking at used L500 the new L52 is still a bit too pricey for me and if L500 is too much for what i can buy i ll go for L450/L440 or nautitech 47
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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

Our 440 is ample in size,speed and handling, any bigger and we feel we would end up being even more of a slave to the upkeep


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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

Dean Catamarans has gone bankrupt and has nothing to do with Xquisite Yachts. This completely new company has bought the design rights of the 50' model, than completely redesigned it (new hull shape, cockpit and interior layout, etc.) and builds in vinyl ester infusion and very high quality finishes. Nothing to do with the former company (Dean Cats).
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Our 440 is ample in size,speed and handling, any bigger and we feel we would end up being even more of a slave to the upkeep


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I understand the extra time in cleaning inside and more so outside but isn't that a small sacrifice for the added luxury more space gives. What has given me pause for thought regarding the L620 is what other CF people have said regarding the limitations of haul out and marina options while cruising. I am also looking at two other Lagoon models, the L560 and the L520. Both of these models have the layout and features that I find appealing. This doesn't stop me from lusting after the L620 model. Decisions and decisions. One thing I am having trouble finding out is the relative sea performance of the three models. Performance in high seas. Relative speed comparisons. If anyone has information on these points it would be very much appreciated.

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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

I would really recommend you to have a look at the new X5 SAIL by XQUISITE YACHTS! There is a boat on display in Miami right now and you will find out that the design and the quality of the finishes is superior of the large production yards mentioned earlier.
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I would really recommend you to have a look at the new X5 SAIL by XQUISITE YACHTS! There is a boat on display in Miami right now and you will find out that the design and the quality of the finishes is superior of the large production yards mentioned earlier.

The boat at the Miami show was built by Dean so the quality of Xquisite Yachts has yet to be seen.
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If anyone has information on these points it would be very much appreciated.
I watched a L620 on AIS yesterday go by us on a close reach with full sails up in 20kt winds in protected waters. Its speed ranged from 6-6.8kts.

That isn't much information, however, and is hardly representative. The thing does weigh 80,000lbs and has more windage than an average house, so maybe it needs more than 20kts of wind to move faster?

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Re: Lagoon 620 as a Bluewater Cruiser for Circumnavigation ?

I have a question regarding the speed that the AIS shows on ones receiver. Does the AIS transmitter info come from GPS speed or from the speed wheel (thru the water)? I ask because I've sailed next to, and faster than, a vessel next to me yet their AIS showed they were consistently .5-.75kts faster than our GPS speed.

I wouldn't typically judge the speed of the vessel on the builder but a combination of vessel and the skill of the sailors onboard...


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I watched a L620 on AIS yesterday go by us on a close reach with full sails up in 20kt winds in protected waters. Its speed ranged from 6-6.8kts.

That isn't much information, however, and is hardly representative. The thing does weigh 80,000lbs and has more windage than an average house, so maybe it needs more than 20kts of wind to move faster?

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colemj Thank you. Kind of slow. I would think it would sit better in rough seas than the smaller models but moving slow gives it less of an ability to get out of potential trouble. Would love to know how the L560 and L520 do.

Are there any true performance races for mass produced multihulls?

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Does the AIS transmitter info come from GPS speed or from the speed wheel (thru the water)?
AIS uses SOG from the GPS. I don't have an explanation for your observation other than class B only transmits every 30 seconds, so you may have been seeing a series of instantaneous higher speeds from the other boat and missing the longer periods of slower speeds. That would be highly coincidental, though.

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colemj Thank you. Kind of slow. I would think it would sit better in rough seas than the smaller models but moving slow gives it less of an ability to get out of potential trouble. Would love to know how the L560 and L520 do.
My observation was N=1, so I wouldn't put much emphasis on it. There are a million reasons it may have been moving slower than it should have been going during the 10 minutes I watched it. However, given its design and weight, I would bet it is the slowest 62' catamaran out there. It certainly is not the prettiest!

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