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Old 19-01-2007, 12:09   #1
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Lagoon 470

Any one sailed a Lagoon 470? What were your impressions?
Is this boat too big for 4-6 people?
Is it a fast boat?
How does it handle at the dock or putting her into a slip?
I looked at one that was Galley down, but I think I would prefer the Galley up version.
Any Idea why it was discontinued?
Any Idea want issues. if any, are common to this model?

Could she, should she do South Pacific passage?

How would she compare to a leopard 46 or Dolphin 46?

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Old 19-01-2007, 19:58   #2
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Haven't sailed one, but rumoured to not be a fast boat but then again it depends what you're comparing it to.

I don't think there's an official statement but the 470 was rumoured to be very expensive to build.

Also, there was a design change on the hull at one point, I'll try to dig up the year for you.
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Any one sailed a Lagoon 470? What were your impressions?
Is this boat too big for 4-6 people?
Is it a fast boat?
How does it handle at the dock or putting her into a slip?
I looked at one that was Galley down, but I think I would prefer the Galley up version.
Any Idea why it was discontinued?
Any Idea want issues. if any, are common to this model?

Could she, should she do South Pacific passage?

How would she compare to a leopard 46 or Dolphin 46?

Thanks,

Looking at the number's on the Dolphin, i'd reckon you'd know the answer to that question if the Lagoon is anything like the other's discussed on this forum

but hey, apparently all the figures published by non lagoon builder's are lies.

Cant comment on the Leopard as yet as havent looked at number's

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Old 20-01-2007, 05:06   #4
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The Dolphin 460 is the original 43 stretched out, so it will feel smaller then the Lagoon or the Leopard. It's daggerboarded so will perform differently then the 47 or 46. If you're any height of all you're going to whack you head on the bimini sitting at the helm.

The finish of the Dolphin is pretty good but I find the fit out to be odd but I can't put my finger on it. On the positive side, I have spoken to a couple of owners and they all have good things to say about Phil Berman and Junior so you're in good hands.

The Leopard 46 is my boat of choice so I'll try to strip out the passion of trying to convince everyone that they should think the same way as me because I have no idea what your sailing plans are. Things I liked about it are the high bridgedeck clearance, the helmstation, the kindly motion (comparitively speaking) and performance when sailing. Also since we're planning a circumnavigation, I like the fact that there are hundreds of Moorings bases from a parts perspective.
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Limpet,

I spent a week as captain aboard a 470 in the BVI about a year ago. We enjoyed our stay and the sailing was invigorating to say the least, as the wind rearly dropped below 25 Knots. On our last day we shot across the Sir Fransis Drake Channel at 12 knot under genoa only!

By the way Dave, why don't you keep your boat bashing comments to boats you've actually sailed, and stop your rumur mongoring about boats of which you no nothing or have no first hand experioence sailing on.

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Old 20-01-2007, 12:36   #6
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QR,

12 knots with just Genoa......does this mean you were heading down wind? Down wind is a slow point of sail. This would imply that the 470 is capable of much more on a reach.
What did you think about the overal size of the boat and layout.
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On our 12 knot romp the wind was coming over the aft starboard quater. We were probably about 140 to 150 degrees off the wind. It was so windy that I didn't want to hassle with the main, so I just unfurled the genny an off we went. As far as going much faster, I don't know, as I probably would had to have been double reefed for saftey sake if I put up the main. Pulling a hull on these large cats is a no no big time!

Our 4 cabin layout was nice, with the largest berths being in the aft. We spent most of our time snorkeling and not sailing, but I would say that it pointed to wind fairly well between 45 & 50 degrees, depending on sea state. But then, as with most cats, if you will just fall off 5 more degrees, all it take is about a 1/2 knot increase in speed, and you will get their quicker.
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Numbers on the dolphin look in keeping with other builder's.

Limpet asked for comment.

Get over youself, you don't own Laggon coment.

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the other day i decided to take my old bathtub for a sale, we didnt need it as we had renovated and had a new one installed it was blowing 25 and wouldnt you know it when i put the genoa up on the jury rig i was doing 13knots, i couldnt put the main up as i didnt have one but it to wouldnt have been safe
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Old 20-01-2007, 16:29   #10
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sean, What's your point, or are you calling my hand held Garmin a liar?
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i was just saying that any boat which you would need to reef a main twice for safety will fly when the wind is up we sailed at 7 knots on a big old ferro tub with no sails up in the midst of a cat2 cyclone, oh and i was also just taking the piss
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It's Lagoon
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In response to the first question. I havn't been on this boat but it looks like its huge inside! Is this boat fast for a catamaran? No way in hell. For a mono hull? probably a little faster. It will definetly do the South Pacific. Don't buy this boat for pure speed. Get it for a lot of comfort and a decent sailing powerboat. As far as 12 knots of speed goes; it's not that fast. But if that's the performance you are looking for than this may be your boat!

This boat that I sailed the South Pacific on could hold a steady 12 knots in a 25 knot breeze (reefed broad reach). A word of advise: Expect more from a catamaran than you would from a mono.

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Tnflakbait,
Did I understand correctly, the monohull shown in the link did 12 knots?
But in your opinion the 470 can't do 12 knots? QR420 measured 12 knots on a run in the 470. Something just does not add up.
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Did I understand correctly, the monohull shown in the link did 12 knots?
But in your opinion the 470 can't do 12 knots? QR420 measured 12 knots on a run in the 470. Something just does not add up.

Sorry if I was unclear. Yes that 58 ft monohull did 12 kts. This is pushing it but doable. In fact the boat surfed at 14.5 a different time. The boat weighs 35000#. I do believe the lagoon did 12 kts. But it is not impressive. Sorry for any confusion.

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