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Old 13-12-2011, 14:46   #1
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Lagoon 440 -- Need Input on Appliances

Ahoy,

My wife, daughter and I have purchased a Lagoon 440 (owner's version) and we're bringing her up to NYC, ditching our apartment and moving aboard! It's a long-time dream and we're very excited!

First, to note, we have more than ample solar panels (a veritable array) so much so that on a sunny day we can hold a charge stable when disconnecting shore-power. Second, we have a Northern Lights generator (new) installed. Third, we'll have shore power.

So that in mind...

I'm looking for some advice/input on some work I'm thinking of doing:

1) Installing an electric head in the owner's hull.

2) Air Con/Heating -- there are two 1" thru-hulls that could possibly be used for this, but if it can't we'd love to get your opinion on what to do. Would something like this work? LG LP1411SHR 14,000 BTU Portable Air Conditioner with 14,000 BTU Electric Heat, 600 sq. ft. Cooling Area, 10.1 EER, R-410A Refrigerant and LCD Remote Control

3) Electric range -- has anyone ever tried installing an electric stove-top so as to not have to refill the propane tanks? Again, would something like this work? Kenyon B41603 21" Smoothtop Electric Cooktop with 2 Radiant Ribbon Elements, Hot Burner Indicator Light and Black Glass: 120 Volts

4) Drawer dishwasher -- not sure we'd actually do this, but if I have a good month at work I was thinking about installing this: Kenyon B41603 21" Smoothtop Electric Cooktop with 2 Radiant Ribbon Elements, Hot Burner Indicator Light and Black Glass: 120 Volts

Understood that we'd probably need to shut off certain things while we're using others and I know those are lubberly options but I like to remind myself that I've convinced my wife to grab our 2-month old daughter and accompany me on this adventure and therefore I'd like to make it as comfortable as possible.

Thanks in advance for your input!

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Old 16-12-2011, 01:38   #2
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Ahoy,

My wife, daughter and I have purchased a Lagoon 440 (owner's version) and we're bringing her up to NYC, ditching our apartment and moving aboard! It's a long-time dream and we're very excited!

First, to note, we have more than ample solar panels (a veritable array) so much so that on a sunny day we can hold a charge stable when disconnecting shore-power. Second, we have a Northern Lights generator (new) installed. Third, we'll have shore power.

So that in mind...

I'm looking for some advice/input on some work I'm thinking of doing:

1) Installing an electric head in the owner's hull.

2) Air Con/Heating -- there are two 1" thru-hulls that could possibly be used for this, but if it can't we'd love to get your opinion on what to do. Would something like this work? LG LP1411SHR 14,000 BTU Portable Air Conditioner with 14,000 BTU Electric Heat, 600 sq. ft. Cooling Area, 10.1 EER, R-410A Refrigerant and LCD Remote Control

3) Electric range -- has anyone ever tried installing an electric stove-top so as to not have to refill the propane tanks? Again, would something like this work? Kenyon B41603 21" Smoothtop Electric Cooktop with 2 Radiant Ribbon Elements, Hot Burner Indicator Light and Black Glass: 120 Volts

4) Drawer dishwasher -- not sure we'd actually do this, but if I have a good month at work I was thinking about installing this: Kenyon B41603 21" Smoothtop Electric Cooktop with 2 Radiant Ribbon Elements, Hot Burner Indicator Light and Black Glass: 120 Volts

Understood that we'd probably need to shut off certain things while we're using others and I know those are lubberly options but I like to remind myself that I've convinced my wife to grab our 2-month old daughter and accompany me on this adventure and therefore I'd like to make it as comfortable as possible.

Thanks in advance for your input!

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Wow you must have sweet talked hard and strong!!!!!
I love having gas to cook with both on our yacht and at home, WHY? Because when there is no power you still have the ability to cook. It's all to do with the concept of 100% redundancy, honestly carrying/maintaining gas is not a huge one.....

My wife and i bought up our twin boys till the age of two on our 35 foot round bilge yacht moored in a creek here in Gladstone Australia. We moved ashore because we noticed the boys were not walking, preferring to drop to a safe crawl as soon as they felt any movement in the boat HOWEVER im sure a marina somewhere in NYC has good access to parks/stable ground,,,,keep an eye on it :-)

Can't offer advice on your choices regarding electric head, dishwasher and A/C as the Lagoon we are buying has them installed. I would think get advice/price/decide etc,....

Cheers hope all works well, good plan :-)
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In NYC the winters are to cold for that system.
Just purchase a few of these portable oil heaters or go with a diesel furnace.
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Old 16-12-2011, 06:29   #4
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I would not install electric range or dishwasher. Using propane for just cooking, the tanks last a long time. You'll get tired of having to start the generator to warm up a can of soup, electric is very inefficient for cooking and even more so via generator. A dishwasher takes up too much room and is another waste of energy. A friend with a power hungry trawler just removed his dishwasher as they never used it and he has 24kw of genset.

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Old 16-12-2011, 23:43   #5
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Thank you! These comments are helpful! We'll probably NOT do the dishwasher drawer and electric range, although since we'll need air con we might as well get the benefit of heating, too. But I agree we'll need a couple space heaters, too.

Very helpful comments! Thank you!
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Old 17-12-2011, 00:07   #6
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Reverse cycle is as far as my Australian conditions knowledge can assist you. What i do know is boats tend to get very cosy with a heater running totally adding to the comfort/ambience. I'd dump the dishwasher/electric range combo as well, just ain't yachtie orientated!!!!!!
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Thank you! These comments are helpful! We'll probably NOT do the dishwasher drawer and electric range, although since we'll need air con we might as well get the benefit of heating, too. But I agree we'll need a couple space heaters, too.

Very helpful comments! Thank you!
I doubt if reverse cycle will be enough in NYC, from watching the news, it gets damn cold there!

I have reverse cycle and you need to realize that boats are not insulated like a house. Hence, with a central heat system on a cat, the hulls will be ~10 degrees cooler than the salon. I have a space heater we run in the head before taking a shower. (yeah, we're wimps!) But I only need heat maybe once or twice in a season, and that's only in the mornings.

Good luck!
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Hi DotDun,

Agreed. We're thinking about getting something like the Vornado fan heaters. I'm not a big fan of the type that Cotemar showed above, especially since our little girl will be crawling soon.

I'll probably get something like this: Heaters, Fans, Air Circulators, Air Purifiers, Humidifiers, Personal Fans | Vornado.com

It can sit out of the way and still push the hot air around.

BTW, NYC does get pretty cold (depending on what you're used to). The temperatures are fluctuating a bit more than in the past (it was nearly 60 degrees F yesterday) but it can vary between 15F during the winter and 96F during the summer.

Yours by the sea and stone,
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Re: Lagoon 440 -- Need Input on Appliances

You might want to seriously consider a hydronic, diesel fired system. You can run the hot water hoses through your cabinets, which helps to reduce condensation and mildew, through to your heads (I've even seen people do towel warmers!) and then where you need the registers. You get an excellent source of heat, you don't have to have the generator on, and you can also plumb in a hot water tank for essentially unlimited hot water (well, at least to the capacity of your tanks). Probably less cost than a reverse cycle system, too, if you're starting from scratch, and you don't need A/C.

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Old 17-12-2011, 14:40   #10
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Hi ID,

Thanks--we'll look into that. We have to look into that. Most of the winter we'll be at the dock so I'm not sure I want to run the generator that much if I can use shore power instead.

Thoughts?

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Hekla, and atlantic 57, has a electirc cooking system and he goes into some of the detail briefly here:
The catamaran Hekla | Exploring the World by Sail from A to Z

toward the bottom of the page.
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Old 20-02-2012, 19:14   #12
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Here's an update to the earlier thread...

Thank you all for your comments.

It was VERY helpful to get your insight. We're in the process of upgrading our shore power from 30 to 50watts. Then we're installing an electric range (Stove/oven).
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we have 2 x 5kw "eber" watherheaters in our L380.
with 3 x 2kw heaters on each hull.
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How comfortable is to live abroad of a catamaran in a cold weather even with an heating system ??
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How comfortable is to live abroad of a catamaran in a cold weather even with an heating system ??
Most boats have zero insulation.
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