Originally Posted by POH
Lagoon 420 owners - I'd love your help/advice.
I'm looking at a diesel 420 with 40hp engines.
The short production run (2007-2011) makes me wonder if there were so many issues with the 420 they had to be fixed in a 421 with a different name, rather than a 420 S2 etc.
Would love to hear from ACTUAL OWNERS (past or present) or charters about any issues you wish you'd known about before buying
, performance, comfort, etc.
Those with diesels - were the 40hp engines good enough - I noticed a lot of people who replaced the hybrids have gone 75hp.
Thanks in advance.
We are owners of a Lagoon 420 which we purchased and moved aboard in July, 2008. We have been living aboard
for 4 1/2 years with our dog Daisy. Seas the Day was a hybrid and we had the conversion done one year ago. At this point almost all of the 420's have been converted. We got the twin 40 hp Yanmars and they are absolutely sufficient. POH said, "I noticed a lot of people who replaced the hybrids have gone with 75 hp," however, to our knowledge very few conversions installed the 75 hp Yanmars and the only advantage seems to be a little more speed but with added fuel consumption
. We easily motorsail at 8 kts with our 40 hp engines.
We have always been confused about the often negative remarks about the Lagoon 420, especially on Cruisers Forum. We have never met any 420 owners, and we know quite a few, who don't love their boat. We have also never had a guest aboard who wasn't amazed at the roominess and comfort of the 420.
Yes, there were problems with the hybrid, but there were also advantages. The propulsion
system was our only disappointment. The boat was slow, but when the conversion was completed and the heavy hybrid components were removed, our boat went up in the water
and our speed increased dramatically, both sailing and motorsailing. When we first crossed from No Name Harbor to Bimini
in 2010 with a 420 hybrid, we left at 0400 and arrived in Bimini
at 1700. Every sailboat that left after us motorsailed past us that day. This January, our first trip to the Bahamas
since the conversion, we raised the anchor
at No Name at 0635 and with similar conditions we had that first trip, we were at a dock
in Bimini at 1400. This time we passed every sailboat that left before us and no one passed us.
Someone on this forum thought that the 420 got such a bad reputation by some because of the problems with the hybrid system. I suppose that is correct, but anyone who buys a converted 420 is now getting a boat with a new propulsion
system in a well designed, comfortable boat with excellent storage
and the great 360 degree salon
view. The Yanmars made the 420 even better by getting rid of any negatives in speed and reliability
We believe, because of the negative "hybrid" connection to the 420, Lagoon made a few minor changes and called their new 420 a 421. The main difference is the lower bimini, resulting in your head
being above the bimini at the helm
. The high bimini is one of the great features of the 420 so this change was not an advantage, in our opinion. I don't think you can beat the design of the open salon/cockpit for size and comfort in any comparable size catamaran
. We haven't noticed any adverse affects of hull
design which prompted Lagoon to make slight changes in the 421.
In the post by POH, I think it is telling that he asked for comments by "actual owners or charters." All of the negative comments we've read about the 420 have come from people who haven't owned a 420 and maybe haven't even been aboard one. We have met many owners and no one has ever had a negative comment about the boat, other than minor problems that any sailboat has.
There isn't a thing we would change about the design. In addition, buying a used 420, new owners get many extras we've seen added. Every 420 we have been on has made changes to the companionway
in the owner's hull
. We took out the setee and built an office with a desk and bookshelves. Other owners have added storage
shelves for clothes or miscellaneous items. All the ones we've seen have four or five solar panels
, and some have wind generators. Most owners report that they rarely have to use their gensets when cruising, even while using TV's, washers, watermakers and various appliances. While we do not regret our decision to buy a new boat, there are so many advantages to buying a used 420 with the added features and a new propulsion system. We've never been on a 420 that wasn't well cared for and maintained. When we get together with other owners we compare what we've added to our boats to get new ideas. Of course a few 420's were never hybrids, and they are just as great, only with a more miles on the engines.
If it sounds like we are building up the 420 because we are selling ours, that is not the case. We plan to live aboard Seas the Day for as many more years as we can stay healthy. We have traveled up and down the US east coast
, gone across the Gulf to Mobile and taken the GICW to Corpus Christi, and are on our second cruise
in the Bahamas
. Our freezer
holds enough frozen food
for six months of cruising, and with all of the storage space, we easily provision for our extended cruise
here, only having to buy fresh fruits and vegetables. With three queen size beds and three heads, we are always open to visitors.
We'll be happy to answer any questions about the 420 and hope that eventually prospective buyers won't need to ask what the "problems" are with the 420. It's a great cruising boat and we haven't met a single
owner who has regretted the decision to buy one. In addition, in our experience those who sell their 420's do so because of lifestyle or health
changes, not because of dissatisfaction with their boat.
The resale value of the Lagoon 420 remains high, and will probably continue so since it is no longer being built.
By the way, POH, whom I quoted at the top of this message, bought a 2009 Lagoon 420 and checking their website, Why knot?
, I read this at the end of their "The Boat" page, "Writing this two months in, we are loving our new home."
Jan and Mark
Seas the Day