Hey Mark on Reach
It's Buddy from Lagoon 380 Indigo Moon
Hope we see you guys again on the way south . . .
I was just wondering, though, if there was anything that REALLY turned you off about the Lagoon 400
All kidding aside, some of the missed details were obviously boat show
rush-job things that can be easily addressed, but hey . . it is a SHOW and it has got to be embarrasing for manufacturers when their boats are not perfect to stand up to truly experienced and critical eyes.
Like you, I saw some shortcomings, but I also saw crowds clamoring over the Lagoons AND folks buying
That aside, you know, I too have been looking at ALL the new designs of many cat brands and I keep seeing fewer bulkheads, less surface area to the bulkheads that actually remain, and lots of wide-open interior
spaces, not to mention picture windows and bigger "holes" in hulls.
And it's not just Lagoon
. It's production cats in general.
I guess the easiest finger to point is the "old saw" about designing primarily for charter
needs in the B.V.I., but I am not sure that is the answer, or that I even know what these new trends in the industry represent as a whole. It would be facinating to question designers and engineers personally.
Many brands have gone to the "tank gun-turret" hole in the hard bimini
for the helmsman . . . it can be enclosed at additional custom expense, of course, but it then looks so odd to me . . . to see the lines of a bimini
interrupted as such.
I just don't know. Maybe I'm old fashioned and out of date.
Like most boat owners, I like my generation boat because it is what I know. And there are very few of its design-cues and pedigree in the new Lagoons.
I am so used to the darker wood and interior
colors in my 2001 L380 . . . the new Lagoons look so bland to me . . . with their very-light wood bulkheads and black soles/floors and a post-modern "sushi restaurant" look (that is admittedly cosmopolitan and a classy look they are shooting for), but it all just looks so cold and different from what my boat looks like.
When I stroll in the wide-open interiors of these new designs (again, not just Lagoons) I keep sensing that there needs to be padeyes for jacklines
INSIDE the hulls so as to be able to hang on offshore
and go forward and aft.
I've been offshore
I like that my 2001 has many bulkheads, smaller doorways with transoms, smaller sole panels
, and no picture windows. It's been a solid ocean boat.
As for fit and finish, well, you can do a lot to stop creaking and noises by pasting carpet on bulkeads, or just tabbing and gelcoating over bulkhead seams like some manufacturers do . . . sometimes if the "mouse fur" is stripped off those other boat's "quiet" interiors, however, they are not as sexy and strong underneath as people think either.
I would suppose the new Lagoons' soles will creak along okay, as will the decks, even if it grates on those of us who notice.
As for all the freeboard on the 400, well, I have always been amazed at Catanas . . . they look like ships compared to my L380! I always wondered about the windage, but also thought of the luxury of all that extra freeboard going into steep seas.
As for less freeboard like on our boats, I have sailed many thousands of miles in the company of Manta
42's, for example, and we both see green water
at about the same rate and it's "pretty sporty" compared to those Catanas with lots more freeboard (and obviously now the new Lagoons will have a big advantage too when the going gets tough). I can't say that docking
ease is a totally good reason to give up awesome freeboard offshore.
I did notice that there were some hefty power options for the Lagoons, so that could help attenuate windage concerns while docking
As for sailing and speeds on the new Lagoons, well . . . my loaded down 380 and a loaded down Manta
42 have performed virtually identically . . . astonishingly so, both when motoring in flat calms and sailing offshore in callenging seas.
I have sailed in the company of two Manta 42's over the years and our performance has been ridiculously identical (much to the dismay of one of the 42 owners who is still determined his 42 averages 12 to 14 knots and is much faster than an L380. . . I guess my 380 has superpowers . . . it really pisses him off!
That said, I would be VERY surprised if the 400 and 421 Lagoons did not sail markedly faster than our boats and represent a different class of speed.
400's rig makes the L380, L410, and Mantas rigs look pretty darn smallish.
Whatever other shortcomings may or may not come to fruition when actually using a new Lagoon 400
and 421, and once the little bugs are worked out, I will say that Lagoon clearly put a substantial-looking rig and sizeable winches on both the 400 and 421.
One person whom I trust reported the sailing to be very good and noted an acceleration sensation simply not seen on older Lagoons.
Of course, there are the new "fat-head" mainsails too.
And that's another thing. Lagoons are so square-looking now . . . square footprint, square coachroof, square windows, square topped mainsail
. . .
They better pay Huey Lewis to use his song "hip to be square."
The one thing I always have to remind myself of when judging all these boats is the price
. All the usual suspects (leopard, lagoon, catana
, F.P., . . . etc.) must all balance value versus price
I am quite sure that any one of them could build a million dollar 40 foot cat that would require a thesaurus full of the very best adjectives to desbribe it and that such a boat would render all our earlier-generation production cats a "joke."
Against that backdrop, however, when viewed as "what you get for just over 300 grand for a brand new boat" the 400 Lagoon looks a little better. It sure looks like a LOT of real estate for the price.
I'll tell you what boat rocked my world at the show. That big new Prout! What a beauty! Vertical coachroof windows, great visibility, decks like steel
, fine interior, well thought out . . . I simply loved it.
But it was well over twice the price of the Lagoon 400 and I am not sure it was more than twice the boat.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see where the industry goes next as far as cutting edge production cat design is concerned.
The great news for me is that I still managed to leave yet another boat show
and be TOTALLY happy to be going home to my particular boat!
To me, that is a GREAT boatshow experience!
Sooner or later, something will send me home wanting something new . . . but it has not happened yet!
All the best, and hope to see you "out there",