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Old 06-10-2016, 01:51   #16
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Re: faster mainsail dropping? Reefing mod?

The long gap between the luff cars allows the main catch wind when lowering. I was considering intermediate cars, at least two to be attached to my main. Any one done this or have thoughts on this idea. As for the reefing lines I now just toss them in the lazy bag.

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Old 06-10-2016, 01:56   #17
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Re: faster mainsail dropping? Reefing mod?

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Greetings 450 owners. Just took delivery of a '15 450 in Houston. Great boat as we all know, however I am looking for some help.

We have a square top main that often gets tangled in the lazy jacks. I'm ok with the up down to clear it unless someone knows of a trick releasing the lazys or using the topping lift. The part I need help with are the reeling lines (3) not running clean and fast. I'm thinking of smaller lines without giving up strength nor wearability. Also considering not taking up the slack when coming down.

Speaking of coming down, the main doesn't like to drop as quickly as I had hoped. It often requires the crew to go up with a boat hook to pull it down. Fine for nice weather, but dangerous in big breeze or storms. Any advice?

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For droping the mainsail in a fuzzz, the answer? ANTAL.. quite expensive..
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:01   #18
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Hi Chris,

not sure about your reefing lines since we never pull these in when lowering the main - we just put them into the lazy bag upon closing.

As to the main not coming down, that is a routine maintenance thing. Use Teflon spray on the rollers whenever it starts to get sticky. We were told to never use WD40 there, so I am relaying this without knowing the exact reason.

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Bad advice, i tell you why,, any kind of WD or teflon or whatever lubricant repellent spray in the batten cars and the torlon balls start to stop spin evenly inside of the races,, i see thousands of torlon balls toasted by one side and the other in fine shape, fresh water and soap, thats all.... cheers.
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Re: faster mainsail dropping? Reefing mod?

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Hi Chris,

not sure about your reefing lines since we never pull these in when lowering the main - we just put them into the lazy bag upon closing.

As to the main not coming down, that is a routine maintenance thing. Use Teflon spray on the rollers whenever it starts to get sticky. We were told to never use WD40 there, so I am relaying this without knowing the exact reason.

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WD40 leaves an oily residue which will attract grit. Grit causes wear. Same applies to any similar product.

Use something like Mclube. A dry film teflon based lubricant. Ideal for sail tracks.

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Re: faster mainsail dropping? Reefing mod?

We were told that part of the problem is that the top lines of the lazy jacks are generally fitted on the spreaders too close to the mast. If you move the connections closer to the ends of the spreaders, the lazy jacks are more open and its easier to get the sail down.
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We were told that part of the problem is that the top lines of the lazy jacks are generally fitted on the spreaders too close to the mast. If you move the connections closer to the ends of the spreaders, the lazy jacks are more open and its easier to get the sail down.
I do not think the lazy is an issue when lowering the sails (if keeping properly into the wind).
However, opening the setup on top may help when raising mainsail.
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If you loosen the mainsheet and raise/drop the mainsail slowly, you should be OK. I just throw the reef lines in the lazy bag after the sail is lowered. You can also loosen the lazy bag a little, but we did not find this necessary.

On a different note, if you plan to do extended cruising, change your reefing lines. We've had the factory first reef line break on two different occasions (at the low friction ring by the leech) and the mainsail ripped the lazy bag both times. It was fun trying to control the mainsail in bad weather. I finally learned and got better quality lines in NZ.

Keep an eye on the reef lines. Keep loosening/tightening them to change the stress points. Make sure they do not chafe where they enter the boom by the mast. Use better lines.

You'll enjoy the L450. We love ours.
I want to add the blocks to the receding lines at the sails. I also want to change the reefing lines to a smaller size with same strength and reliability. Any advice on brand and siz of lines? Harken blocks to match new size line.

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Re: faster mainsail dropping? Reefing mod?

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I want to add the blocks to the receding lines at the sails. I also want to change the reefing lines to a smaller size with same strength and reliability. Any advice on brand and siz of lines? Harken blocks to match new size line.

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Attach a low friction ring to each clew reef point (ditto at the tacks), they'll lower the effort needed to pull in the reef lines. Another option at the clews is the Antal web-on clew reefing blocks http://antal.it/ENG/73_reef_blocks_en Or you can use blocks that attach with Spectra. And or, make your own, using small diameter, high load sheaves, & aluminum plate.Particularly if you’re a DIY guy, & have easy access to an anodizing tank.

For your reefing lines, use bare Spectra/Dyneema for everything but the sections that are on the winch or in your stoppers. I’d suggest 8mm at a minimum, although 10mm would be better. And you can make short, replicable pendants out of Spectra, for the high chafe sections of your reefing lines. Such as where they pass through the clew, & the sheaves at the end of the boom. Connecting them to the reef lines proper in the boom, which run back to the winches. As it’s much cheaper to replace a short section of Spectra when it gets worn, than the entire reefing line.

Also, consider painting them with Maxi Jacket II, or RP25 to increase their chafe & UV resistance. And you can add Spectra chafe covers as well. The coatings add from 30-50% to the life of the lines.

When you drop your main, don't take in the slack in your reefing lines. And you might also consider adding a downhaul to your main to assist in pulling it down, it's a commonly added bit of kit on cats with square top mains. Which you'll find, if you do a search on them, & how best to rig them.
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