Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 14-10-2013, 19:54   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winter Bahamas - Summer BC
Boat: Lagoon 450, Bavaria Vision 40
Posts: 615
Change for this years model

I just checked out our new 450 in France. This is what I found was new compared to the 2012 model:

1. Backing plates under docking cleats. At least the fwd and aft cleats now have good size backplates instead of the tiny washers. I already had the plates made for the new boat.

2. Mastervolt MasterView Easy control panel - This is a super-duper battery monitor. It has a touch screen, displays voltage, amps, amp-hours, etc. It also display deepest SOC ever, lowest and highest voltage ever, how many times it measured over 100A, 200A, 500A. Apparently, this can be used to control all kinds of other devices too, such as generator auto start. Some of the functions are locked out. I assume Lagoon installed it to fend off claims for dead batteries.

3. SD60 sail drive - I posted this in a separate thread. Vibrations at idle.

4. Flimsy dead-bolt locks to hold up the table storage in the cockpit roof. First thin I will change.

5. Raymarine e125 MFD instead of E120W

6. Raymarine ITC5 instrument transducer converter. One converted for Speed, Temperature, Depth, Wind, Rudder Angle, Fluxgate Compass. A lot less clutter behind the nav-staion.

7. New sliding cockpit door lock. The previous one was really finicky. The whole door assembly appears a little more solid. Time will tell.
__________________

__________________
roetter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-10-2013, 21:17   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winter Bahamas - Summer BC
Boat: Lagoon 450, Bavaria Vision 40
Posts: 615
Re: Change for this years model

Forgot to post the pictures:
Click image for larger version

Name:	Bolt lock.jpg
Views:	341
Size:	138.7 KB
ID:	68693
Click image for larger version

Name:	Bolt lock (1).jpg
Views:	331
Size:	150.4 KB
ID:	68694
__________________

__________________
roetter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-10-2013, 00:08   #3
Eternal Member
 
monte's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Australia
Boat: Lagoon 400
Posts: 3,650
Images: 1
Re: Change for this years model

Looks great, congratulations. Lets hope the SD60's are better.
Yeah I would be worried about the cockpit table landing on my head as well, thats an accident waiting to happen !
Bon Voyage
__________________
monte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-10-2013, 04:45   #4
sitting on the dock of the bay

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,513
Images: 6
Send a message via Yahoo to gonesail
Re: Change for this years model

for the 1% interested in a 550000.00 boat .. it must be sweet
__________________
sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most.
gonesail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2013, 21:35   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winter Bahamas - Summer BC
Boat: Lagoon 450, Bavaria Vision 40
Posts: 615
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonesail View Post
for the 1% interested in a 550000.00 boat .. it must be sweet
Lagoon has already sold more than 300 of these 450s in just over 2 years. Hardly a 1% exotic.
__________________
roetter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2013, 22:57   #6
Registered User
 
Jman's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Northeast, USA
Boat: Luders 36
Posts: 230
So you are assuming only 30,000 boats of any size or shape are sold per year?
__________________
Jman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2013, 23:22   #7
Registered User
 
Wraith_Mac's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia
Boat: Avon Rib, 65hp
Posts: 304
Re: Change for this years model

Quote:
Originally Posted by roetter View Post
Lagoon has already sold more than 300 of these 450s in just over 2 years. Hardly a 1% exotic.
How many of these 300 are for re-equipping charter fleets under the French subsidy scheme ie commercial use and how many are actually for direct private ownership and use?
Interested in if you know the breakdown.
Cheers,
Mac
__________________
NEW SCIENCE: You fund the research and we provide the desired facts.
NEW ECONOMICS:See Above, obfuscation extra.
Wraith_Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2013, 03:19   #8
Registered User
 
careka's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Egersund,Norway
Boat: Lagoon380 Comfort#637
Posts: 704
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to careka
Re: Change for this years model

Thanks Rolf, for info. on the new 450.
__________________
careka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2013, 04:17   #9
Registered User
 
db8us's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Pune, India
Boat: Lagoon 380S2
Posts: 74
Send a message via Yahoo to db8us
Re: Change for this years model

Thanks for the Info!
Nice boat, i must admit....
__________________
db8us is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2013, 18:36   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winter Bahamas - Summer BC
Boat: Lagoon 450, Bavaria Vision 40
Posts: 615
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jman View Post
So you are assuming only 30,000 boats of any size or shape are sold per year?
New cruising boats? Way less than 30,000. Even way less than 10,000. This is the cruisers forum, after all.
__________________
roetter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2013, 18:38   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winter Bahamas - Summer BC
Boat: Lagoon 450, Bavaria Vision 40
Posts: 615
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraith_Mac View Post
How many of these 300 are for re-equipping charter fleets under the French subsidy scheme ie commercial use and how many are actually for direct private ownership and use? Interested in if you know the breakdown. Cheers, Mac
All charter boats are privately purchased. I don't see a scheme there unless you want to call what the charter companies are doing to lure the owners into this, a scheme. I would support that.
__________________
roetter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2013, 04:34   #12
Registered User
 
Wraith_Mac's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia
Boat: Avon Rib, 65hp
Posts: 304
Re: Change for this years model

Quote:
Originally Posted by roetter View Post
All charter boats are privately purchased. I don't see a scheme there unless you want to call what the charter companies are doing to lure the owners into this, a scheme. I would support that.
Semantics at its best, I am differentiating between those demonstrably and categorically purchased for private use and those put into charter fleet replacement, ie commercial use for a usual 5 year period.
Not all charter boats are privately purchased, those that are owned by LLCs, PTY LTDs [[companies], trading partnerships etc even whose shares are not publicly traded are still not regarded as private vessels by any tax law I'm familiar with.
If you are unfamiliar with the French Government's 5 year incentive schemes, so be it. I have not checked in the last year but they were quite lucrative to a certain set of investors.
I could also highlight the number of boats bought and owned by registered business entities that are used exclusively for private purposes, usually a tax dodge of some kind but I am not including them in the question I asked, which was "how many were charter fleet replacements".
Cheers,
Mac
__________________
NEW SCIENCE: You fund the research and we provide the desired facts.
NEW ECONOMICS:See Above, obfuscation extra.
Wraith_Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2013, 03:53   #13
TOT
Registered User
 
TOT's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Singapore
Boat: Lagoon 450
Posts: 273
Who cares as they are great boats and hull 309 is being built.


:-0
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image-222921836.jpg
Views:	167
Size:	386.4 KB
ID:	70097  
__________________
TOT Team
TOT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2013, 04:31   #14
Registered User
 
DavefromNZ's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: NZ
Boat: Lagoon 450
Posts: 389
Re: Change for this years model

Yes, who cares. This discussion got side tracked when one person earlier, who has benefitted previously from his own comments and questions in CF, decided that there was a price limit above which we cannot discuss the yacht and so he tried to kill the discussion. CF would struggle as an excellent forum to ask, comment and learn if subtle censorship like this was applied.
__________________
DavefromNZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2013, 01:12   #15
Senior Cruiser
 
Emerald Sea's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Live-aboard Cruiser
Boat: Lagoon 450
Posts: 571
Thanks for the update Rolf. I collect my L450/304 mid-January. Can't wait! I'm hope the best news will be the replacement SD60s - anyone out there with any feedback on these yet?

Steve
__________________

__________________
Steve
SV Emerald Sea
L450
Emerald Sea is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
model

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:47.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.