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Old 26-08-2016, 14:26   #1
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Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Currently in the market for an L450, and came across a recent model charter boat that the broker says has had a rudder replaced.

This was due to a grounding on sand because they grabbed a chain in a port which rendered the boat unresponsive - and ended up with the wind pushing them onto the sand, damaging the rudder.

Apparently the hull incurred only superficial scratches with no water ingression.

Anything to be concerned about if repairs were done and boat back in operation?

What should one pay particular attention to in this instance? Is it a significant issue and best to just move on and keep looking? Or if well repaired not a problem?

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Old 26-08-2016, 14:32   #2
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Well, look carefully at everything under the cabinets, engine bed, rudder tube and glass work etc. Most boats have been lightly grounded at some time. But a hard grounding can break many things loose from the hull, especially in lighter boats.
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Old 26-08-2016, 14:45   #3
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Lagoon 450 can be accused of all sorts of things, but being a lighter boat I feel is not one of them.

I would suspect the fact you have been told says something in it's self. Sales people in general tend not to highlight potential faults in their offerings.

A proper survey paying attention to the rudder area after being forewarned should pick up anything untoward. I would not go forward just because you have been told of a repair.

Things get broken, then you fix them and move on it's the way of boats.
PS: L450 is a very fine cruising boat, but I may just be a bit biased.
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Old 26-08-2016, 14:57   #4
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Millerslocal,

As mentioned above, most boats have had some sort of a grounding during their lifetime. However, since you've been told the rudder snagged a chain, and the whole incident ended in an unplanned grounding; noting that what you've been told could be making as light as possible of the incident; and being a cautious purchaser, as one needs to be, two things: first tell the surveyor your concerns, second, go back on the threads on the mulihull forum, and see what kinds of repairs the people who have the kind of cat you're thinking of purchasing are having to do to them. For instance, issues from water ingress are probably not related. Unattached bulkheads might be, and so on. But if you learn what issues they commonly have, you'll be in a better position to make your decision.

(PS, how I'd do this is via the CF Google special search, one of the choices in the "Search" menu at the top of the page.)

Good luck with it.

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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

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Currently in the market for an L450, and came across a recent model charter boat that the broker says has had a rudder replaced.

This was due to a grounding on sand because they grabbed a chain in a port which rendered the boat unresponsive - and ended up with the wind pushing them onto the sand, damaging the rudder.

Apparently the hull incurred only superficial scratches with no water ingression.

Anything to be concerned about if repairs were done and boat back in operation?

What should one pay particular attention to in this instance? Is it a significant issue and best to just move on and keep looking? Or if well repaired not a problem?

Thanks
Don't walk away yet check it out as a cat on sand is quite common anyways for various PURPOSES.It is more than likely OK .If it is priced lower than it would normally be it might be a bargain and don't we all love those .A few dollars on a surveyor is the right thing to spend on .Go from there and let us know pls?
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Old 27-08-2016, 12:20   #6
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

If you buy it there is a good chance you will put it in the hard intentionally at some point.

Have done it with Moontide close to a dozen times over the years. Of course those are intentional groundings with VERY soft landings. Easier to do the bottom when in cold water, or replace a thruhull without paying for a haulout.
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Old 27-08-2016, 12:57   #7
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

If the rudder was replaced there must have been significant damage and stress on it. Be very wary , especially if you do not have the skills to assess this yourself.
Remember also, you may have to disclose this damage when it comes time to sell the vessel. It may reduce the value and make selling difficult
Just saying buyer beware.
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Old 27-08-2016, 13:02   #8
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Thanks all for the insight and advice. We will certainly continue to keep the boat on our shortlist and may well proceed with a survey. If we do will report back on findings.

I would say the selling price is possibly accounting for this as it seems competitive for the spec's and model year.
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Old 27-08-2016, 14:02   #9
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

A pretty simple way forward is to ask for photographs - of the damage and of the repairs.


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Currently in the market for an L450, and came across a recent model charter boat that the broker says has had a rudder replaced.

This was due to a grounding on sand because they grabbed a chain in a port which rendered the boat unresponsive - and ended up with the wind pushing them onto the sand, damaging the rudder.

Apparently the hull incurred only superficial scratches with no water ingression.

Anything to be concerned about if repairs were done and boat back in operation?

What should one pay particular attention to in this instance? Is it a significant issue and best to just move on and keep looking? Or if well repaired not a problem?

Thanks
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Old 27-08-2016, 14:31   #10
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A pretty simple way forward is to ask for photographs - of the damage and of the repairs.
I've been there and done that. They are only going to show you what they want to. You need to get in there with an experienced eye and have a good look.
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Old 27-08-2016, 14:49   #11
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Groundings are common. Have it surveyed. Try to get broker to pay for it. Surprised they haven't provided on in this case for a boat of this value.
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

It isn't the grounding that's the problem, it's how the grounding occurred. If the rudder snagged the chain, and the boat swung hard into the sand, it is very different from a planned grounding for hull cleaning or inspection.
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Old 27-08-2016, 15:27   #13
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

Yes, but there is a starting point dependent upon locations (the boat and the potential buyer). Ask for photographs of the damage, before and after. Also request details of the insurance claim. Also request information about the boat history - has it ever had a name change? Details of the previous owner? These cost the buyer nothing and is basic due dilligence. I always ask if the current owner has had any claim or whether they know of any insurance claim by any previous owner - and request the response in writing without any caveats.
Then you can get in with Mk 1 eyeball. If its located closer then the visual can be done sooner.
On the same subject we looked at a cat for sale a couple of years ago in Mexico on behalf of a friend. We identified so many issues with said boat, yet the owners blatantly lied about these........makes for a challenging situation. I advised our friend to buy an alternative boat, which he did and now I see on the (the Mex boat) boats owners forum that the new owner is still finding problems and spending a shed load of cash fixing them up.
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Old 27-08-2016, 17:01   #14
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

hard to find a used boat not tested by the bottom
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Old 27-08-2016, 19:39   #15
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Re: Buying a boat that's been grounded?

As others have already said, this should not be a probem if correcty repaired. The L450 has solid glass bottoms. Gouges can be ground back and repaired with epoxy resin and glass quite easily. A cored composite bottom requires more work to complete a repair of similar damage as all wet core should be removed as part of the repair.
According to reports, the new Lagoon 42 has balsa cored hull bottoms.
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