20-01-2014, 12:01
|
#91
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Mazatlan, Mexico
Boat: CT-41
Posts: 289
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
DoJ
Thanks for the welcome. Been on the internet since 1990 when I started a solar-electric and electric vehicle prototyping business online and ran it for 12 years.
Got tired of sitting on my butt for 10 hours every day listening to the same old questions and unrealistic comments from armchair engineers who thought they knew about solar, but had no idea about math or physics. A lot like armchair sailors!
As for what prospective crew would get out of the deal; Doesn't that always depend on the relationship?
When I went out looking to crew, it was the opportunity I was looking for, and knowing that my skipper had thousands of dollars and thousands of hours into his boat, ongoing thousands of hours to keep the boat maintained, and thousands of dollars in direct costs on each trip, I felt it was a deal that all I had to pay was my "share" of the work while on the trip and my share of the expenses. That included such things as cleaning the head, picking up after his dog, washing dishes, cooking, sanding and varnishing, and of course all the things people look forward to, like line handling, taking the helm, and launching the dinghy. My share of the expenses was only food and fuel. I was never asked to contribute $30-$50 per day, which is a common estimate of what it takes to keep a boat cruising.
It is my personal opinion that people who want to crew and experience all the fun "boating" stuff, but are unwilling to do a fair share of the ongoing and absolutely necessary work, are freeloaders. That is unless they are friends of the skipper (of which I have plenty who would like to go along some day when the time and place is right and they will not be expected to do any more than a guest would), or paying passengers, (which does not apply to my boat since it is not a commercial venture and charging passengers is illegal).
What do you mean by "(above paying you to work on your boat)"? I did not request anyone to pay me to work on my boat. Seems like a thinly veiled insult, typical of others, but rather than assuming, will ask you to clarify.
As for travel plans and itinerary, I gave that in my OP:
"Looking for crew from Astoria Oregon to San Francisco bay, then on to Mexico. From Mexico an extended voyage onward."
Time schedule is wide open. This is a one-way trip for me, leaving nothing behind. Having already worked my way around the world a couple times, I am not concerned with destination. That depends on weather patterns, opportunities, and mutual decision among compatible crew.
As for "optimistic and unnecessarily fussy", ABSOLUTELY! Change the phrase to "optimistic and necessarily fussy", and you will understand my post. The OBJECT is to shrink the pot down to one or two, being those who will like to sail with me and my dog, and we with them. That is the ONLY reason I started this thread. To invite someone looking to crew who might be willing and compatible.
__________________
Steve VR & Aleutia the Dog
SV Mystique, CT-41, Mazatlan, Mexico
Web page - slvanronk.com
|
|
|
27-01-2014, 14:39
|
#92
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Boat: Macgregor 21
Posts: 56
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vino the Dog
nhschneider,
Thanks for the advisory. I am aware that spring is not considered ideal time to sail to Mexico. With an open schedule, leaving Oregon in spring does not necessarily mean it will still be spring by the time we pass San Diego. Also aware there are exceptions to every rule. Keeping informed of conditions in advance is a necessity if one chooses to violate the rule.
Same goes with dog sailing. I am aware of restrictions many countries place. It is much easier if all your paperwork is in order and the animal checks out. Alelutia has been my full time companion for 12 years, 8 of those as a SAR dog & handler team. He goes where I go until his last breath. There will be no months of quarantine, and because I am not a "checkbook sailor", there will be no $3,000 fees. Countries with such impositions are simply places we will not go, even if that means passing up New Zealand where I once lived and still have friends.
I once crewed on a Contest 48 from La Paz to Mazatlan with skipper, his wife and two dogs. Had to stop on an island half way across because his Golden refused to use the "poop deck". Nice boat. Very slippery.
|
Personally, I think this is awesome and I admire your love and loyalty to your dog. I have dogs of my own and I can empathize with your statements above.
If I had the time and experience, I would gladly crew for you - and would have no problem picking up after the dog, as necessary.
Good luck to you and Alelutia on your sailing adventure!
|
|
|
27-01-2014, 15:16
|
#93
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: So-Cal
Posts: 27
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Hey guys and gals! Ok so I didn't see the original post so a quick question . Is this a shared cost crew need or a working non-paid crew need? I myself am not a "mooch" but have no problem "working"on a boat un-paid to help someone get their vessel to their destination and myself back to my hailing port. Now the statement ... It seems like these days there are to many people who have vessels above their ability to handle alone or with their partner and are seeking "crew" to help fund their voyage as well as help them with the sailing and other aspects of longer voyages. It would seem to me if you need crew you could at least feed them, asking a person to help fund your dream is a bit much I would say. I crew on several vessels out of my local area and not one skipper ever asks crew for anything more than a good job and a good attitude. IMO if you can't afford to get there on your own maybe you should re-think your trip.
|
|
|
27-01-2014, 15:25
|
#94
|
Armchair Bucketeer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,012
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surftrip
Hey guys and gals! Ok so I didn't see the original post so a quick question . Is this a shared cost crew need or a working non-paid crew need? I myself am not a "mooch" but have no problem "working"on a boat un-paid to help someone get their vessel to their destination and myself back to my hailing port. Now the statement ... It seems like these days there are to many people who have vessels above their ability to handle alone or with their partner and are seeking "crew" to help fund their voyage as well as help them with the sailing and other aspects of longer voyages. It would seem to me if you need crew you could at least feed them, asking a person to help fund your dream is a bit much I would say. I crew on several vessels out of my local area and not one skipper ever asks crew for anything more than a good job and a good attitude. IMO if you can't afford to get there on your own maybe you should re-think your trip.
|
Much merit in what you say - perhaps though better in a seperate thread? (This one side tracked a bit already ) - even if your thoughts inspired by the comments.......
|
|
|
27-01-2014, 15:53
|
#95
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: So-Cal
Posts: 27
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
True,old Jersey guess I got carried away.
|
|
|
27-01-2014, 16:14
|
#96
|
Armchair Bucketeer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,012
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surftrip
True,old Jersey guess I got carried away.
|
Was just an idea as I think could be an interesting thread on its own.
|
|
|
28-01-2014, 12:38
|
#97
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 6
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
I don't think the poop would be the problem. How would you keep the whole boat from stinking of dog pee? You can't pick that up.
|
|
|
28-01-2014, 12:49
|
#98
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,042
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
That is what a 5 gallon bucket and a scrub brush are for, soap and bleach no extra charge.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
|
|
|
28-01-2014, 12:56
|
#99
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Mazatlan, Mexico
Boat: CT-41
Posts: 289
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Every crew/skipper relationship is different. No one can say what will "work" for other people who they don't know, don't know the situation, and are not involved in. Sometimes it is appropriate for crew to share expenses, sometimes not, same with being paid and everything else.
Among the first things I said and continue to emphasize is; if you have no interest in getting to know a little about who I am and let me know a little about you, then you are not who I am looking for. If your opinion of what a crew relationship should be is more important that knowing who you are sailing with, this is not a boat you want to be on.
I read and think about all comments people make on this thread and find that each one of them tells a lot about the attitude of the person making them. That is the first thing I look for. There is no level of skill that makes up for conflicting personalities confined in a small space during a time when quick reactions and teamwork might make the difference between getting through a difficult situation or not.
__________________
Steve VR & Aleutia the Dog
SV Mystique, CT-41, Mazatlan, Mexico
Web page - slvanronk.com
|
|
|
28-01-2014, 13:19
|
#100
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Mazatlan, Mexico
Boat: CT-41
Posts: 289
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
jacobspl,
You ask a good question, particularly for those who have never sailed on a dog boat. I have crewed with 3 dogs on different boats and none smelled any more like dog than someone's home. That, of course varies a lot between how clean the dog is and how clean people like to keep their homes. None I sailed with ever peed or pooped in the cabin, although one must be prepared for that just like being prepared for getting seasick and vomiting in the cabin, a scenario much more likely.
Those I sailed with were clean skippers and each had a different system, but the critical thing common to each is immediate clean up. That's why ANYONE sailing on a dog boat MUST be willing to clean up if they are either the only one on watch, or the one best suited to be the "first responder".
Anyone who likes dogs and has sailed with one knows this is not a big deal. Anyone unwilling should not even consider sailing on a dog boat. Anyone willing but uncertain should ask the question you did before taking on the task. There are a couple threads on the forum where "dog sailors" discuss their methods, advantages and disadvantages with each other if you want to look into it.
__________________
Steve VR & Aleutia the Dog
SV Mystique, CT-41, Mazatlan, Mexico
Web page - slvanronk.com
|
|
|
29-01-2014, 02:59
|
#101
|
C.L.O.D
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 8,232
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobspl
I don't think the poop would be the problem. How would you keep the whole boat from stinking of dog pee? You can't pick that up.
|
Surprisingly, the deck is always much cleaner on passage when they are using it, than when at anchor and they're using land. That.s because at 10.05am daily we use that bucket on it ( they do their business on passage once a day, usually, at 10am). But they're dogs... They can make exceptions!
|
|
|
29-01-2014, 10:09
|
#102
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Mazatlan, Mexico
Boat: CT-41
Posts: 289
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Saucy,
Thanks for your comments. Good to hear from someone out there on a dog boat, particularly for those who may like dogs, but have no experience sailing with one.
I was out having a beer with a new friend Jamie, who will be helping me take the boat to Astoria, when he made a comment exactly like crew I look for. He has worked on commercial fish boats with dogs, has degree in wooden boat building, 30+ years at sea by profession, AB Unlimted, 100 Ton Master, now taking 500 ton test, blah, blah...
We were talking about new versus used life rafts and he said "If you get a used one have it re-certified, you can have them pack in stuff that suits your personal needs, like dog food and booties for the dog."
I remarked, "That's the kind of response I like. Someone who immediately thinks of taking care of the least capable crew member first."
Jamie replied, "Hell yes! I WANT the dog on the raft. He can smell land and will be the first to tell us what is going on around us."
__________________
Steve VR & Aleutia the Dog
SV Mystique, CT-41, Mazatlan, Mexico
Web page - slvanronk.com
|
|
|
29-01-2014, 10:41
|
#103
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Mazatlan, Mexico
Boat: CT-41
Posts: 289
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Saucy,
I just took a long look at your blog!
Now when critics who balk at sharing work or expenses on a voyage ask "What does the crew get out of it?", I am going to point at your blog and say "That!"
(Actually, I won't because anyone who asks doesn't get it and needs no reply.)
Very nice voyage. Thank you for sharing it and hope our paths cross one day.
__________________
Steve VR & Aleutia the Dog
SV Mystique, CT-41, Mazatlan, Mexico
Web page - slvanronk.com
|
|
|
06-02-2014, 09:16
|
#104
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: San Franisco Bay area
Posts: 26
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
I sent you a PM
|
|
|
06-02-2014, 18:01
|
#105
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Acapulco, Galveston, and Mexico City
Boat: Yawl,One of a Kind, 39 feet, Mare Nostrum
Posts: 62
|
Re: Interviewing for crew Portland, Or to Mexico then beyond
Australian Shepperd dogs are marvelous and very friendly. In fact, I like them better than I like most people...It would be fantastic to share a voyage with such a fine friend; picking up after him would be an honor. I don't know why so many people get upset about sharing a dog's home with him...
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Rate This Thread |
Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Advertise Here
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Vendor Spotlight |
|
|
|