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Old 17-02-2015, 16:16   #46
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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

So, if I understand this correctly . . . based upon the parameters defined above, you'll be starting the trip in Key West with a fully provisioned CT 45 and ending the trip in San Francisco with an empty Cape Dory 18 and deeply in debt . . . I get it! Now that's a Democratic crew!
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Is there a difference?

Is there a difference between republican and teabagger?


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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

Seems the OP has made this request at least once before with no follow up:

"Basically I am looking for volunteer crew that want to enjoy and learn from the experience of performing the basic tasks of democratic crew for my 45' Ketch based in Key West."

Home Port: Key West

So it seems the OP has a definition for democratic outside the realm of politics. Even more curious now to find out what they mean.


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Is there a difference between republican and teabagger?


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Sure. But both groups know how to manage the boat effectively without overloading it while throwing money overboard.
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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

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Seems the OP has made this request at least once before with no follow up:

"Basically I am looking for volunteer crew that want to enjoy and learn from the experience of performing the basic tasks of democratic crew for my 45' Ketch based in Key West."

Home Port: Key West

So it seems the OP has a definition for democratic outside the realm of politics. Even more curious now to find out what they mean.


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Ok. Now I understand. So typical of a socialist work for the good of the State. In this case work on my boat for nothing. Egalitarian tyrant.
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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

I found the following exampless useful in understanding what the heck is going on...

A CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

A SOCIALIST: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

AN AMERICAN REPUBLICAN: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?

AN AMERICAN DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.

A COMMUNIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk.

A FASCIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.


(taken from here: Cows and Politics - Funny Political Joke)
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This is getting curiouser and curiouser!!
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So, if I understand this correctly . . . based upon the parameters defined above, you'll be starting the trip in Key West with a fully provisioned CT 45 and ending the trip in San Francisco with an empty Cape Dory 18 and deeply in debt . . . I get it! Now that's a Democratic crew!
I think what you're trying to say is that the crew would start off with perhaps an unequal sharing of the benefits of being on the owner's large, comfortable, & well-provisioned cruising boat, but then wind up with an equal sharing of the miseries of being impoverished on too small a boat.

(Apologies to Sir Winston).
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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

In the interest of keeping things nautical, lemmings do not jump off a cliff on the boat, rather otters (after messing on the boat) walk the plank into a school of sharks.
Please keep your allusions on task and to the point of sail...
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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

All jokes aside. If he means by Democratic crew that they will take a vote on all decisions than I would won't to know who's going to count the votes. Will the voting be by way of a secret ballot or a show of hands. If by a secret ballot who is going to handle the ballot papers? If by a show of hands what are you going to do with a Democrat who tries to rig the vote by voting twice through the simple ruse of putting up two hands. And while we are talking about putting up hands to vote I bet it won't be so pleasant on board after the first week if everyone put their hands up all together. Nothing like the aroma of smelly sailors arm pits wafting in the air.

Now while all this voting and counting votes is going on what happens if it's the middle of the night and you need to decide whether or not to change course because of a newly tracked storm. If your the only one on watch are you going to wake everyone up to take a vote? The most troubling scenario is when a Gun Boat 55 type gust comes your way are you going to vote on whether or not to have a single, double or triple reef? Do you think you will have time to get everyone together even if it is a show of hands vote?

Now if you decide to vote on some things and allow an executive decision on others than how will you decide this? I would expect a book of guidelines and regulations will need to voted on as well. Now will it be a simple majority rule on all decisions or will some decisions such as abandoning ship or throwing the owner overboard need a super majority.

I think once this democratic crew is assembled a committee should be formed to resolve all of the above and then put it to a majority vote.

Now let me go into detail if the OP had in mind only those who vote Democrat as in the Democrat Party as applying to be crew. Then on the other hand let's not.
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Re: Democratic Crew Wanted - Key West to SF

If I had to wear a political affiliation T shirt nowadays it would probably look something like this:



However, you didn't mention it but if your boat happens to be named "Monkey Business" let me know and I'll show up at the dock wearing this one instead:
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Gosh, I thought we had a CRUISERS FORUM, instead we just have political ********. _____Grant.
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All jokes aside. If he means by Democratic crew that they will take a vote on all decisions than I would won't to know who's going to count the votes. Will the voting be by way of a secret ballot or a show of hands. If by a secret ballot who is going to handle the ballot papers? If by a show of hands what are you going to do with a Democrat who tries to rig the vote by voting twice through the simple ruse of putting up two hands. And while we are talking about putting up hands to vote I bet it won't be so pleasant on board after the first week if everyone put their hands up all together. Nothing like the aroma of smelly sailors arm pits wafting in the air.

Now while all this voting and counting votes is going on what happens if it's the middle of the night and you need to decide whether or not to change course because of a newly tracked storm. If your the only one on watch are you going to wake everyone up to take a vote? The most troubling scenario is when a Gun Boat 55 type gust comes your way are you going to vote on whether or not to have a single, double or triple reef? Do you think you will have time to get everyone together even if it is a show of hands vote?

Now if you decide to vote on some things and allow an executive decision on others than how will you decide this? I would expect a book of guidelines and regulations will need to voted on as well. Now will it be a simple majority rule on all decisions or will some decisions such as abandoning ship or throwing the owner overboard need a super majority.

I think once this democratic crew is assembled a committee should be formed to resolve all of the above and then put it to a majority vote.

Now let me go into detail if the OP had in mind only those who vote Democrat as in the Democrat Party as applying to be crew. Then on the other hand let's not.
So perhaps in the interest of summing up , maybe what you're really trying to say is that if you need to take a vote every time you think it's time to reef, then it's already too late?
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Love this thread. Best I've read in a long time. Very funny!
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So perhaps in the interest of summing up , maybe what you're really trying to say is that if you need to take a vote every time you think it's time to reef, then it's already too late?
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