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Old 12-09-2016, 09:54   #1
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South African cats at exchange rate

Can one buy South African made catamarans for dirt cheap if exchanging from USD to Rand? I assume that you would fly over and conduct your business in SA currency.


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The Rand hasn't depreciated significantly vs the dollar recently, in fact it's at about the same place it was this time last year (XE.com - USD/ZAR Chart). That's the only way you'd get a deal, if they built and priced based on a higher Rand that unexpectedly devalued and they haven't adjusted their prices in Rand yet. The absolute exchange rate is really irrelevant, especially since most/all the inputs for the cat like the engines, fiberglass, paint... are commodities that cost roughly the same everywhere in USD terms, perhaps even more expensive when you have to transport them to SA. Labor is the one area that they'd have a comparative advantage in SA, however you price your product based on competitors pricing; cost plus materials is just your minimum price, so the French cats are probably setting the pricing there. Converting to Rand to do your purchase does nothing, there's no reason they would price significantly less in Rand than in the same amount of Rand converted to USD. There are no currency controls and the Rand is freely traded, so no free lunch by you doing the Rand conversion for them. Hopefully one would assume they're smart enough to be able to convert currency if you're trusting your life to their boat!
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Re: South African cats at exchange rate

If you locked the deal back in 2015 and paid up early 2016 then yes, you may have a deal. But otherwise I do not know what you mean.

Any RSA builder will buy the components outside and so the prices will adjust in the mid term period.

XE.com - USD/ZAR Chart

If you think the roller coaster will repeat, you simply short ZAR / long USD then reverse at the top or replicate the strategy with CCY options. This buys you the advantage which you can later use to buy ANY boat/thing.

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actually, I was able to find some used cats about a year on SA local sites at a fraction of NA prices...it wasn't easy digging up the websites but they are there...have not looked recently...
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Links, links, links ...

You find a good deal, you do not take it. Why not post it so that others can explore?

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like I said I was surfing around last year...but lucky for you I am a multihull shopoholic

here's an example...$50k less than comp in caribbean...

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there were 3 wildcats at very attractive prices...but I can't seem to find them now...

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Finding them's been problematic. Though like anything, you might just get lucky. And you know what they say about luck
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Look for a used boat in SA which was bought new in 2011. The rand was over twice what it is today, and the seller may just look at how many rand he paid for it then vs what it sells for today. Of course, the seller paid VAT on his boat, which may not be due on exported boats.
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I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how exchange rates impact prices coming from people living in stable currency countries. If your currency devalued by half since 2011, you know it. Everything you buy costs twice as much as it did then. You're not so naive as to think that a 2011 Rand is the same as a 2016 one, and you're not going to sell based on you purchase price in raw numbers just like someone there isn't going to sell their house for half price based on what they paid for it.
It's cheap to buy a used cat in SA right now. It's also cheap to buy one in the Seychelles. That's because they're both a long way from the big markets, fewer buyers are going to pay to fly out and look at them and they're all pricing in the cost to get the boat to where they are in the U.S. or Europe. This all has nothing to do with the exchange rate of the Rand!
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like I said I was surfing around last year...but lucky for you I am a multihull shopoholic

here's an example...$50k less than comp in caribbean...

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Yes. Very nice discount.

And is cruising the Caribbean not worth the extra 50k ???

Soberly though: CCY rates fluctuate, at times, WAY faster than brokers/owners update their websites ... beware.

I have see this with a boat where asking was 1.5 mio (on a website) and that went for 7ook just recently.

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I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how exchange rates impact prices coming from people living in stable currency countries. If your currency devalued by half since 2011, you know it. Everything you buy costs twice as much as it did then. You're not so naive as to think that a 2011 Rand is the same as a 2016 one, and you're not going to sell based on you purchase price in raw numbers just like someone there isn't going to sell their house for half price based on what they paid for it.
It's cheap to buy a used cat in SA right now. It's also cheap to buy one in the Seychelles. That's because they're both a long way from the big markets, fewer buyers are going to pay to fly out and look at them and they're all pricing in the cost to get the boat to where they are in the U.S. or Europe. This all has nothing to do with the exchange rate of the Rand!
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I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how exchange rates impact prices coming from people living in stable currency countries. If your currency devalued by half since 2011, you know it. Everything you buy costs twice as much as it did then. You're not so naive as to think that a 2011 Rand is the same as a 2016 one, and you're not going to sell based on you purchase price in raw numbers just like someone there isn't going to sell their house for half price based on what they paid for it.
It's cheap to buy a used cat in SA right now. It's also cheap to buy one in the Seychelles. That's because they're both a long way from the big markets, fewer buyers are going to pay to fly out and look at them and they're all pricing in the cost to get the boat to where they are in the U.S. or Europe. This all has nothing to do with the exchange rate of the Rand!
I'm no economist nor have I ever been really good with my money...but the truth I think lies somewhere in the middle...I had a Canadian interested in buying my US boat...as the Canadian $$$ crashed, my boat became less realistic for him to buy...I'm not adjusting my asking price based on Canadian/Australian/SA exchange rates...

But when I noticed the strength of the dollar compared to these currencies it made shopping interesting...if I only had the time to capitalize on it I could have probably made out ok...
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