Want To Buy: 40-50 Foot Cat - Somewhat Unorthodox Approach

[Blue Crab]

I say FIE on bottomfeeders: FIE jod dammit, FIE!

And phooey,too.

Sweet irony, eh?

[DotDun]

Originally Posted by tomfl

Bottom line is that buyers are in the drivers seat and if a seller does not realize this they are in trouble.

You seem to be discussing only sellers that are in a time-constrained situation forcing them to sell their boat. There are sellers that are not in such a position. Sellers that can wait for 'market price' won't cater to low offers. It is a multi-strategy game.

[Blue Crab]

Oh man, this is rich. Captain RabidRabbit, he of the NO RULES and no morals, is trying to sell his own boat today. He wants 8k for a 32'er with running diesel. Based on his own comments, I just made an offer of $250.
I'm talking CASH (that is, if Boatman61 and Atoll will loan me $125 apiece). Hope I hear from him soon! Hey honey: We're buying a sailboat!

[teneicm]

Originally Posted by Blue Crab

Hey honey: We're buying a sailboat!

No, it's "Hey honey: We're putting an offer in on a sailboat." See, what you're missing is that it's just an offer- it's not like you're forcing him to sell.

And as you pointed out "based on his comments", I'm pretty sure he'll just laugh it off and continue with his day- and not get all hot under the collar and act like someone insulted his dearest grandmother.

[D&D]

Originally Posted by RabidRabbit

Morals are the tools of tyrants.

Whoa...we certainly do NOT agree with that remark. Tyrants abandon morals and replace them with creedos, or dogma, or whatever set of rules that serve their purposes at the moment.

True, far too many people leap to moral positions here on CF (and in life) where such positions are quite inappropriate, but we suggest few would really want to live in an amoral world. In business, long experience confirms that good ethics are fundamental to sustainable enterprise...and good ethics come from good moral values.

[mcerdos]

You get what you pay for. To quote a very wise sailor, "a
cheap ‘bargain boat’ turns out to be anything but. If you pay the correct
price for a top quality boat, you will only cry once… Then, you smile"

[mcerdos]

Why a cat? No way I want to be upsidedown in the middle of the ocean!

[Doodles]

Originally Posted by mcerdos

You get what you pay for. To quote a very wise sailor, "a
cheap ‘bargain boat’ turns out to be anything but. If you pay the correct
price for a top quality boat, you will only cry once… Then, you smile"

I like it! (I also like Amel's.)

There is also a German saying that translates something like ...."if you give peanuts, you get monkey ..."

[teneicm]

Originally Posted by mcerdos

Why a cat? No way I want to be upsidedown in the middle of the ocean!

Oh boy, I see where we are headed.

The only way we could possibly get this thread further off-track and into cluster territory would be if I answered: "Because the Bumfuzzles are our idols."

[mcerdos]

I just love to stir up that debate. Nothing takes a thread off track faster.
In all seriousness, we agonized over the decision before we ultimately decided to go mono-hull. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by teneicm

No, it's "Hey honey: We're putting an offer in on a sailboat." See, what you're missing is that it's just an offer- it's not like you're forcing him to sell.

Yeah, I got it.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by mcerdos

You get what you pay for. To quote a very wise sailor, "a
cheap ‘bargain boat’ turns out to be anything but. If you pay the correct
price for a top quality boat, you will only cry once… Then, you smile"

Unless you pay a top price (correct / fair / whatever) for a top boat - which turns out to be anything but......

....unbeknownst to the Vendor / Broker - of course .

Having said that, I do agree that "Bargain Boat" can often be a translation from the Latin for "Dreamus Brokenus " .

[Gasman]

Good on you ,mate.
I like your way of doing business as usually it's the other way around. IMO, brokers are for people who can't be bothered to check things out. Me, I like to do my own investigations and not rely on someone who is getting paid to "sell".

[Doe818]

OP mentioned that if he and a seller settle on a price that the process would then follow the listing broker's channel. So I guess you would contact the broker and tell him that you and the seller have reached a deal on price and could he pick up the process from here on out? The broker might get his nose out of joint a tad at this and sure a nuts he would then tell the seller that he (the broker) could have gotten more money in order to try and save face. I realise the broker just wants a deal, but then again, nobody likes being 'told' how to do their job and there is always a level of pride involved in these things. If the deal then fell through for some reason, the seller would most likely then be left with a slightly less favourable relationship with his broker ("I told you so etc etc next time stay out of it") and a boat still to sell. The (now pi$$ed off) broker might even then tell other brokers to keep a look out for you as a suspect buyer....it happens....one thing brokers in any trade often hate even more than other brokers is people who either try to cut them out of business or tell them how to do it....so perhaps you would have to do the entire deal very quietly either through a seperate buyers broker or a lawyer once you have a price done...the risk to the seller here is that the deal might fall through and his broker finds out about it...

Another thing I've noticed over the years with yachts and ships (my business) is that the vessels / boats that really need to be sold in a hurry and at large discounts generally have not been well maintained for however long this state of affairs has existed. When cash gets tight, maintenance is the first cost to be cut. Inversely, the boat that doesn't really need to sell and has good cash reserves looking after it will be better maintained, better equipped and the listing price is often fair and close to what the owner will accept for it. I don't know if your process will attract those types of sellers to participate.

N/less I look forward to hearing how it goes, best of luck with it!

[monte]

haha great thread, nice approach Aussiesuede