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Old 27-01-2015, 19:21   #1
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What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

Hello,

Would one of you kind Helia 44 owners, or someone with access to one, tell me how wide the distance is between the aft scoops. I'd like to know if it is possible to fit Livingston 14' between them to use as a dinghy. I am pretty sure that a 12' would fit. My plan is to get which ever works sooner and use it if I am ever able to buy the yacht.

LOA: 167″(13′-11″)
Dry Weight: 315 lbs (hull only)

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Old 27-01-2015, 22:34   #2
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

Not sure the davits will take all of that weight
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Old 28-01-2015, 13:53   #3
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

The max length for a tender on the Helia is 3.4 meters (11.15 ft). The davits are each rated at 100 kg (220 lb) for 200 kg total so that has to be another consideration.


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Thank you very much. I have enjoyed following your website as well.
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

[QUOTE=StarryHorizons;1735496]The max length for a tender on the Helia is 3.4 meters (11.15 ft). The davits are each rated at 100 kg (220 lb) for 200 kg total so that has to be another consideration.

Hello,

The overall length specifications for the 12 foot Livingston are 11' 11" (3.63 m). Do you think that there might be a spare 10 inches between there or certainly not enough room?

LOA: 143″(11′-11″)
Molded LOA: 143″(11′-11″)
Beam: 62″(5′-2″)
Draft: 5″ (w/ 9.9HP)
Freeboard: 12″+
Shaft Length: 15
Apprx. Dry Weight: 235 lbs (hull only)
Max HP Rating: 15hp tiller or 20hp remote
Boat Capacity: 900 lbs (5 persons, motor, and gear)
Typical WOT*: 14 mph
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

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The max length for a tender on the Helia is 3.4 meters (11.15 ft). The davits are each rated at 100 kg (220 lb) for 200 kg total so that has to be another consideration.

Hello,

The overall length specifications for the 12 foot Livingston are 11' 11" (3.63 m). Do you think that there might be a spare 10 inches between there or certainly not enough room?

LOA: 143″(11′-11″)
Molded LOA: 143″(11′-11″)
Beam: 62″(5′-2″)
Draft: 5″ (w/ 9.9HP)
Freeboard: 12″+
Shaft Length: 15
Apprx. Dry Weight: 235 lbs (hull only)
Max HP Rating: 15hp tiller or 20hp remote
Boat Capacity: 900 lbs (5 persons, motor, and gear)
Typical WOT*: 14 mph
Glad you've been enjoying the blog. I'll be back on the boat tomorrow and will take some measurements to see if you might squeeze in the extra 10".
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

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Hello,

The overall length specifications for the 12 foot Livingston are 11' 11" (3.63 m). Do you think that there might be a spare 10 inches between there or certainly not enough room?

LOA: 143″(11′-11″)
Molded LOA: 143″(11′-11″)
Beam: 62″(5′-2″)
Draft: 5″ (w/ 9.9HP)
Freeboard: 12″+
Shaft Length: 15
Apprx. Dry Weight: 235 lbs (hull only)
Max HP Rating: 15hp tiller or 20hp remote
Boat Capacity: 900 lbs (5 persons, motor, and gear)
Typical WOT*: 14 mph
Even if it fits, it's over the stated weight capacity of the davits unless you remove the engine each time you raise the dinghy.
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

I just did some additional measurements and while you might get a couple of extra inches, I don't think the 11'11" length is feasible. The 3.4 meters is just about the max you can go before the tender would be constantly rubbing against the hulls.


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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

Remember to leave room for some fender or padding at the boat ends too. The dingy will shuttle side to side in a seaway. You can try to tie it but a hard dingy might make some pretty bad damage occasionally. Another good reason for a RIB.
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I just did some additional measurements and while you might get a couple of extra inches, I don't think the 11'11" length is feasible. The 3.4 meters is just about the max you can go before the tender would be constantly rubbing against the hulls.


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Hello Starry Horizons.

I thank you most sincerely for checking the width. I'd hoped that there would be more distance. <sigh> So, the 10 footer it shall be.

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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

Sundae,


When we first got the Orana it came with an hard bottomed dinghy with a centre console put there by the old owner.


It was a heavy as .... getting it on the davits was a complete pain in the proverbial. Not sure it should have been on the davits because of the weight in the first place.


It was sold and replaced with a RIB.


Think carefully about your proposed dinghy.
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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

Two things.

On a Helia44, the distance you need. Inside hull to inside hull is exactly: 11.8 ft (3.6meters)

but many here talk about weight constraints.. and it's true, this is critical.. Check this pic out below. Its an Orana (not a Helia)... but Im thinking of the same approach for a Helia44. And, mounted on the bottom step instead of this.

Thinking about it a LOT .. I think the best approach is to remove the Aluminum Spar sections, not deal with Al at all.. that comes as std, and instead to replace the whole thing with SS frame. As this pic shows. I like the down braces that keep the RIB stable. I'd like it higher though and would put a fiberglass storage box on top. And on top of that a lot more PV.

Would need to get serious with the base plates where all the new weight resides. And backing plates on that transom section. Tell me what you think? Can bounce back and forth on diagram/critique if you wanna?

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Re: What is the dinghy width on the Helia 44?

Hello,

Thank you both for the replies. I have decided that if I can get my Helia made (still a big if at this point) I am going to have the mount sections reinforced (at the factory if possible) such that I could have a purpose built rack for the dingy and for it to be tall enough to mount the radar and receiver towers on top of it. It will be high enough to lift the dinghy clear of the landing basket where the dinghy would ride when not in use.

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