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Old 13-08-2012, 21:23   #1
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Orana 44 with Every Problem Imaginable

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This ORANA 44 'building No. 1 is a ship with processing, material and construction defects: the complete salon door fell out, both of Genoa roles were broken, the floor in the living room set up, the roof lifts off, the entire ground tackle broke, Timing chain jumped out, rudders made ​​their own, Helm breaks away, incurred in the wooden boxes and kitchen block by tension cracks, hinges rust on the fridge, hosing down the window runs out, the black sealant, and the skylight was forgotten, wood discoloration of wet areas is black, later a 5m long and 20kg heavy stainless steel beam was installed at the traveler, as the first excerpt from the Orana's Traveller, cheap fittings and the lights are rusting, the mirrors are blind. The whole ship has hundreds of cracks and the cracks are in different places and over again. Furthermore, the ship had also OSMOSIS, which is either an absolute or Billigstmaterial workmanship or both.
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Old 13-08-2012, 22:27   #2
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Sale already pending, seems to be a fast sale...
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Old 13-08-2012, 23:11   #3
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Seems like a joke being played. If so, I like "hinges rust on fridge".
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Old 14-08-2012, 00:23   #4
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I like "the mirrors are blind". Babel fish?
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Old 14-08-2012, 19:54   #5
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Looks like a set up, either a scam or someone trying to trash the brand.
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Old 14-08-2012, 20:51   #6
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Somebody trying to get at FP.
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Old 14-08-2012, 21:13   #7
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There have been similar reported cases, even right here on CF...
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There have been similar reported cases, even right here on CF...
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Don't worry "it's not structural and is only cosmetic".
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Don't worry "it's not structural and is only cosmetic".
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Orana 44, a real piece of ****, sorry to sound rude, 20n ft close to my boat a 2010 Orana full of blisters ... Awful...
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43'
Orana 44

Year: 2007
Current Price: EUR 100,000 Tax Not Paid
(US$ 123,440)
Located In Thailand
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Twin diesel
YW# 74703-2498227
Sale Pending (transl: yeah right.....don't hold your breath, mate)

Diese ORANA 44' Bau N° 1 ist ein Schiff mit Verarbeitungs-, Material- und Konstruktionsfehlern: die komplette Salontür fiel heraus, beide Genuarollen zerbrachen, der Fußboden im Salon stellte sich auf, das Dach hebt sich ab, das ganze Ankergeschirr brach ab, Steuerkette sprang heraus, Ruderblätter machten sich selbständig, Steuerstand bricht weg, bei den Holzkästen und Küchenblock sind durch die Spannungen Risse entstanden, Scharniere am Kühlschrank rosten, beim Abspritzen der Fenster rinnt die schwarze Dichtungsmasse heraus, auch die Dachluke wurde vergessen, Holz der Nassräume verfärbt sich schwarz, nachträglich wurde eine ca. 5m lange und 20kg schwere Nirosta Traverse am Traveller eingebaut, da bei den ersten Orana's der Traveller ausriss, die billigen Amaturen und Leuchten rosten, die Spiegel werden blind. Das ganze Schiff hat hunderte von Rissen und die Risse kommen an verschiedenen Stellen immer wieder. Weiterhin hatte das Schiff auch OSMOSE, was entweder ein absoluter Verarbeitungsfehler oder Billigstmaterial oder beides ist.



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This Orana 44' Build No. 1 is a vessel with application-, material- and construction faults: the complete Saloon door fell, out, both Genoa-rollers broke, the deck in the Saloon lifted, the Deckhead lifted off, the complete anchoring gear broke off, Steering chain came adrift, Rudder foils came loose, Helm stand broke away, Galley cabinets developed stress cracks, Fridge hinges rusty, black sealant leaks out when hosing Portholes, Skylight was forgotten (transl: forgot to seal?), Woodwork in heads developed black stains, a 5m 20kg stainless traverse was subsequently installed because the traveller ripped loose on the initial Oranas, cheap gauges and lights rust, mirrors opaque. The complete vessel has hundreds of cracks which reappear in diverse places. Further, the vessel has osmosis, which is either an application or material failure or both.

End translation. Begin derision.

Lol, a bargain; she'll be snapped up in a heartbeat! End derision. Begin realism.

What can you expect from build No 1? Should have been scrapped or destructive tested....not sold.
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Re: Orana 44 with Every Problem Imaginable

I knew someone who was very close to this owner. All I can say is what would become of a boat if: It is impounded for its first year: The boat has never been looked after or aired: The owner does not know how to sail or has never owned a boat before: The owner sailed the Indian Ocean against the trades and and ...
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I knew someone who was very close to this owner. All I can say is what would become of a boat if: It is impounded for its first year: The boat has never been looked after or aired: The owner does not know how to sail or has never owned a boat before: The owner sailed the Indian Ocean against the trades and and ...
None of the defects listed should have happened on a sound boat regardless of whether the owner knew how to sail, owned a previous boat or sailed against trade winds.

I was on this boat when it was new in the Annapolis boat show. Somewhere here I posted my observations that there were already stress cracks in numerous places, the anchor roller and gear had already broken and were spot welded back, the cross beam was corroding under the fittings, the salon floor was buckling and the support structures that I could see under it from the hull steps were cracked and pulling away from their bonds and that the traveller was pulling loose from the bimini. I pointed much of this out to Gregor Tarjan who was on the boat with his wife and he just waved his hands as them being only cosmetic and already fixed in production.

I also took a lot of heat for the posting from FP fans.

Also here I posted similar observations on the first Lagoon 400. Took a beating on that post also. Will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future.

First boats of new models often have many problems. Yes, it is the manufacturer's fault - most of the problems I have seen are due to cutting corners in engineering, design and outfitting, and the others are due to trying to build cost effective condominiums for charter company business plans more than seaworthy boats.

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None of the defects listed should have happened on a sound boat regardless of whether the owner knew how to sail, owned a previous boat or sailed against trade winds.

I was on this boat when it was new in the Annapolis boat show. Somewhere here I posted my observations that there were already stress cracks in numerous places, the anchor roller and gear had already broken and were spot welded back, the cross beam was corroding under the fittings, the salon floor was buckling and the support structures that I could see under it from the hull steps were cracked and pulling away from their bonds and that the traveller was pulling loose from the bimini. I pointed much of this out to Gregor Tarjan who was on the boat with his wife and he just waved his hands as them being only cosmetic and already fixed in production.

I also took a lot of heat for the posting from FP fans.

Also here I posted similar observations on the first Lagoon 400. Took a beating on that post also. Will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future.

First boats of new models often have many problems. Yes, it is the manufacturer's fault - most of the problems I have seen are due to cutting corners in engineering, design and outfitting, and the others are due to trying to build cost effective condominiums for charter company business plans more than seaworthy boats.

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