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Old 06-12-2006, 14:03   #16
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I haven't sailed a Lavezzi, but I saw something disturbing regarding them. Last year in the Virgin Islands I saw 3 of them having their decks cut off and replaced due to delamination. None of the boats were older than 2 years and the delamination was extensive, not just smaller localized spots.

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Holy moly -- all Fountaine Pajot? Do you know the model and/or approximate age?

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Sorry, wasn't clear. All three boats were FP Lavezzi 40's, and all three were within a year or two from the factory (in 2005), which would have made them 2003-2004 models.

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opinions on the soon to be FP Salina 48?

Hola: perdonen que escriba en español, pero es que no se inglés. Los comentarios los traduzco de forma autamotica y aveces es dificil comprender lo que quienren decir.
Soy español, nacido y residiendo en La Puebla del Río (Sevilla - España), junto al Río Guadalquivir (37º 15' 39.50" N - 6º 03' 48.80" W). En Marzo del año 2003 compré un Fountaine Pajot, el Lavezzi 40. En el he navegado durante casi 4 años. He tenido momentos muy duros, especialmente en el estrecho de Gibraltar y en la desebocadura del Rio Guadalquivir, donde la olas se hacen altas (de 2,5 metros a 3,5), pero muy cortas, por lo que tienen una pendiente muy acusada; vientos de fuerza 8, que han empujado al barco a velocidades de mas de 14 nudos. En todas las circunstancias el barco se mostró seguro y estable; especialmente me ha llamado la atención su resistencia (sobre todo la del casco), no oyendose crujidos y no rompiendose nada de la embarcación. Verdaderamente ha cumplido con las espectativas que yo tenía en el depositadas.

Para MUSKOKA: efectivamente la relación "metros2 de vela / desplazamiento del barco" es favorable al Lavezzi 40. De hecho te puedo decir que ningún Lagoon 38 me ha alcanzado en todo este tiempo. Y sobre su dureza tengo constancia, por situaciones vividas, que es muy grande; en él puedes navegar con seguridad.

A finales de Diciembre de 2006 lo he vendido para comprarme otro nuevo. He solicitado a astillero un SALINA 48, que se botará en el mes de Febrero o Marzo de 2008, en La Rochelle. Para los que estén interesados en su precio, ya con extras (como generador, aire acondicionado en el salón, potabilizadora, gennaker, etc...) asciende a unos 500.000,00 € (650.000,00 $). A partir de la unidad 21 el precio puede subir, pero no creo que sea más de un 5%.
Respecto de la polar que Fountaine Pajot publica en su página, creo que es la misma que la del Bahia 46; por lo que pienso que es algo mas bien "estimado". Son barcos de crucero, no de regatas. Yo prefiero reducir un poco de velamen y navegar mas comodo.
Para ROCK: Respecto de las novedades entre el modelo Bahia 46 y este nuevo Salina 48, veo que son grandes. El techo rígido en la bañera te proporciona mas facilidad para trabajar sobre la vela mayor; mas aislamiento termico que el de lona y mayor durabilidad (los de lona a los 3 ó 4 años tienes que ir cosiendole siempre algo). La propia bañera tiene una circulación muy bien estudiada; no hay que ir saltando por encima de los asientos para salir de ella (se parece bastante a la del Eleuthera 60). El puesto de timonería es muy amplio y la rueda está en una posición no que entorpece la maniobra con los winches, a donde están todos los cabos reenviados. En popa tiene un solarium para poderte tumbar si no quieres ir a proa, pero lo mejor es que sirve para tapar la auxiliar y protejerla del sol y de la lluvia (con un pequeño trozo de lona le tapas los laterales y tienes un "garaje" estupendo). Otra mejora muy interesante es que el suelo de la bañera y el del salón estén al mismo nivel: va a evitar muchos "coscorrones" a todos los tripulantes a la hora de entra en el salón.
En el salón, la posición de la cocina, junto a la ventana que da a la bañera, es muy práctica, pues en verano casi siempre se almuerza y se cena en la bañera, facilitando enormemente el paso de los platos, vasos, etc... La mesa de cartas podemos decir que es quien mas se ha veneficiado de este cambio: ahora podemos decir que si que hay una mesa de cartas. Con su espacio propio; su asiento propio; su propia luz; verdadero espacio para la electronica; cajones; etc ... Y, lo mas importante: mirando para la proa, lo que se agradecerá muy mucho en las noches de guardia. La nueva nevera "Piano" beneficiará a los mas bajitos para sacar las cervezas del fondo (se lo ponian complicado).
Los camarotes no tienen una mejora tan acentuada, aunque las maderas que estan utilizando ahora son mas agradebles y dan mas luminosidad.
Los baños se ven beneficiados por tener la ducha separada del lavabo y el retrete.
Para RICK: he mirado tus fotografias en S/V Catalpa, y tienes un barco muy simpatico. ¿Como cunden 8 metros en catamaran?. Mucha salud para disfrutarlo.

Un afectuoso saludo para todos.
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Old 07-01-2007, 20:47   #20
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Well thats a new one , my computer is posting in spanish to me......... I think.

Is it possible to get that in english Cesar ? looks like a lot of info, and welcome to the forum.

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Take a look at the Yacht Seerose log - they sailed up the East African coast.

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Cesar,

Gracias para la informacion. El barco parece muy comodo y bien concebido. Felicidades y buena suerte!

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Old 08-07-2007, 02:45   #23
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Hola amigos:

Disculpen que escriba en español, pero si lo hiciese en inglés sería aún peor.

El pasado mes de Junio estube en La Rochelle, visitando las instalaciones del Astillero y viendo la primera Unidad de "Salina 48" que ha sido puesta en el agua.

Navegamos durante un par de horas en las inmediaciones de La Rochelle. Lamentablemente el viento existente apenas superaba los 8-10 nudos, por lo que no se puede sacar grandes conclusiones de la prueba realizada. Avanzando contra el viento alcanzamos velocidades superiores a los 5 nudos y con el viento de popa bajamos a los 3 ó 4 nudos (aunque creo que para ese momento el viento era aún menor que cuando navegabamos a sotavento).

Por lo poco visto el barco me pareció rapido, con diferencia sobre el Lavezzi 40; su paso sobre las olas fué muy suabe (habrá que tener en cuenta que el oleaje existente apenas llegaba al metro de altura).

En realidad poco se puede sacar de una prueba en condiciones tan suaves. Habrá que ver como se porta el año que viene cuando lo tenga que bajar desde La Rochelle a Sevilla (pasando el cabo de Finisterre) o allá por el mes de Septiembre cuando participe en la regata Palos (Huelva) - La Gomera (Islas Canarias).

El interior del barco resulta comodo y amplio, aunque con poco lujo (cosa habitual en Fountaine Pajot). Con algunos extras se puede conseguir un barco perfecto para vivir durante largas temporadas (varios años).

La cubierta sigue teniendo una circulación muy buena. Todas las maniobras están renviadas al puesto de mando. Hay un asiento escepcionalmente amplio y como; mas que suficiente para tres adultos. Y, lo mas importante, las maniobras en los winches no interfieren con los que vayan sentados a la rueda. Esta solución la veo muy practica.
También el izado de la embarcación auxiliar está muy bien resuelto, pués se hace desde un solo winche (que opcionalmente puede ser electrico) y queda resguardada bajo la amplia plataforma de baño trasera.

Las camaras de los motores son amplisimas, por lo que no creo que tengan problemas de espacio aquellos que decidan montar un gernerador, una desaladora o aire acondicionado.

Si quereis ver algunas fotos del barco lo podeis hacer en: Fountaine Pajot Salina 48

Un saludo a todos.
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Hi all, those wanting a look at the new boats from FP. go to this website. ( the Ausi dealer ).Fountaine Pajot Catamarans

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opinions on the soon to Saline be FP 48? Hello: pardon that it writes in Spanish, but is that not English. The commentaries I translate them of autamotica form and you accustom is dificil to include/understand what they quienren to say. I am Spanish, been born and residing in the Puebla of the River (Seville - Spain), next to the Guadalquivir River (37º 15 ' 39,50"N - 6º 03' 48,80" W). In March of year 2003 I bought a Fountaine Pajot, Lavezzi 40. In I have sailed during almost 4 years. I have had very hard moments, specially in the Straits of Gibraltar and the desebocadura of the Rio Guadalquivir, where the waves take break (of 2.5 meters to 3.5), but very short, reason why they very have an accused slope; winds of force 8, that they have pushed the boat at speeds of but of 14 knots. In all the circumstances the boat was safe and stable; specially its resistance has called me the attention (mainly the one of the helmet), not oyendo themselves crujidos and not breaking anything of the boat. Truely it has fulfilled the espectativas that I had in the deposited ones. For MUSKOKA: indeed the relation "metros2 of candle/displacement of the boat" is favorable to Lavezzi 40. In fact I can say to you that no Lagoon 38 has reached to me in all this time. And on its hardness I have certainty, by lived situations, that are very great; in him you can sail surely. At the end of December of 2006 I have sold it to buy another new one. I have asked for to shipyard a SALT MINE 48, that will hurl in the month of February or March of 2008, in the Rochelle. For that they are interested in its price, already with extras (like generator, conditioned air in the hall, water-treatment plant, to gennaker, etc...) ascends to about 500.000,00? (650,000.00 $). From unit 21 the price can raise, but I do not believe that it is more of a 5%. Respect to the polestar that Fountaine Pajot publishes in its page, I believe that she is the same that the one of Bahia 46; reason why I think that he is something but "considered well". They are cruise boats, not of regatas. I prefer to reduce a little sails and to sail but coway. For ROCK: Respect to the new features between the model 46 Bahia and this new Salt mine 48, I see that they are great. The rigid ceiling in the bathtub provides but facility to you to work on the greater candle; but heat insulation that the one of canvas and greater durability (those of canvas to the 3 or 4 years you must be sewing always something to him). The own bathtub has very a well studied circulation; it is not necessary to be jumping over the seats to leave her (it is looked enough like the one of Eleuthera 60). The position of timonería is very ample and the wheel is in a position not that obstructs the maneuver with winches, to where are all the reenviados ends. In stern it has a solarium for poderte to fall down if you do not want to go to prow, but the best thing is than it serves to cover the aid and to proweave it of the sun and rain (with a small canvas piece him covers the lateral ones and you have a "wonderful garage"). Another very interesting improvement is that the ground of the bathtub and the one of the hall are at the same level: coscorrones "to all the crew is going to avoid many" at the time of enters the hall. In the hall, the position of the kitchen, next to the window that it gives to the bathtub, is, because in summer it lunches almost always and it is had supper in the bathtub, very practically facilitating enormously the passage of plates, glasses, etc... The letter table we can say that it is the one who but has been veneficiado of this change: now we can say that if that there is a letter table. With its own space; its own seat; its own light; true space for the electronica; drawers; etc... And, but the important thing: watching for the prow, which will be thanked for very much in the nights of guard. The new refrigerator "Piano" will benefit to but the short ones to remove the beers from the bottom (they ponian it complicated). The staterooms do not have a so marked improvement, although the wood that estan using now are but agradebles and give but luminosity. The baths see beneficiaries have the separated shower of the washbasin and the toilet. For RICK: I have watched your fotografias in S/V Catalpa, and you have a very simpatico boat. As 8 meters in catamaran spread. Much health to enjoy it. An affectionate greeting for all.


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Cesars 7/9/07 Post in english;

Hello friends: Excuse that it writes in Spanish, but if it did it in English would be still worse. The past month of June estube in the Rochelle, visiting the facilities of the Shipyard and seeing the first Unit of "Salt mine 48" that has been put in the water. We sailed during a pair of hours in the environs of the Rochelle. Lamentably the existing wind as soon as it surpassed the 8-10 knots, reason why cannot be drawn great conclusions from the made test. Advancing against the wind we reached speeds superior to the 5 knots and with the stern wind we lowered to the 3 or 4 knots (although I believe that for that moment the wind was still smaller than when navegabamos to leeward). By little seen the boat it seemed to me fast, with difference on Lavezzi 40; its passage on the waves fué very suabe (it will be necessary to consider that the existing surge as soon as it arrived at the meter of height). In fact little it is possible to be removed from a test in so smooth conditions. It will be necessary to see as one behaves next year when it has it to lower there from the Rochelle to Seville (passing the end of Finisterre) or by the month of September when it participates in the regata Woods (Huelva) - the Gomera (Canary Islands). The interior of the boat is ample coway and, although with little luxury (habitual thing in Fountaine Pajot). With some extras a perfect boat can be able to live during long seasons (several years). The cover continues having a very good circulation. All the maneuvers are renviadas to the command post. There is an ample seat escepcionalmente and like; but that sufficient for three adults. And, but the important thing, the maneuvers in winches do not interfere with which they go seated to the wheel. This solution I see it very practices. Also the hoisting of the auxiliary boat is very well resolute, pués becomes from single winche (that optionally can be electrico) and is protected under the ample platform of back bath. Camaras of the motors is amplisimas, reason why I do not believe that those have space problems that decide to mount a gernerador, a desaladora or conditioned air. If quereis to see some photos of the boat podeis do in: Fountaine Saline Pajot 48 A greeting to all.


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Hola amigos: Disculpen que escriba en español, pero si lo hiciese en inglés sería aún peor.

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The rigid ceiling in the bathtub provides the facility to work on the greater candle. Heat insulation, that one of canvas and great durability must be sewing always.

The bathtub has a very well studied circulation; it is not necessary to be jumping over the seats to leave her.

The position of timonería is very ample and the wheel is in a position not that obstructs the maneuver with winches, to where all ends.

In the stern it has a solarium to fall down if you do not want to go, but the best thing is that it serves to cover the aid and to proweave it of the sun and rain. With a small canvas piece he covers the lateral ones and so you have a wonderful garage. Another very interesting improvement is that the ground of the bathtub and the one of the hall are at the same level.

In the hall, the position of the kitchen, next to the window, that it gives to the bathtub, is, because in summer it lunches almost always and it is time for supper in the bathtub.

The new refrigerator will benefit, but the short ones to remove the beers from the bottom will find it complicated. The staterooms do not have so marked an improvement, although the wood used now give luminosity.

Much health to enjoy it, an affectionate greeting to all.
Brilliant! Read it in a faux-Shakespearean voice, Marlow would have been proud, or indeed, Yoda.

No wonder human translators are struggling to find work. There is no telling what on earth this machine translation means, but it is poetry.

PS - Yes, I did edit it just a tiny bit, but really, not much.
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Brilliant! Read it in a faux-Shakespearean voice, Marlow would have been proud, or indeed, Yoda.

No wonder human translators are struggling to find work. There is no telling what on earth this machine translation means, but it is poetry.

PS - Yes, I did edit it just a tiny bit, but really, not much.
Thanks for the help, I never implied that I was a translator, but I get tired of trying to read his posts and I believe there are others... I realize that "Bable Fish" isn't perfect, it does get most of it correct, sooooo, if you want to take up the duties of translator for "Cesar's Posts", Please be my guest...lol..

Not sure just how Shakespear sounded, but have heard many attempts by actors to put thier spin on what it should be, as for Marlow...(the detective or the Writer?) I am only familiar with the classic movie detectives voice...and Yoda...yeah, maybe thats the best...
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Personally, I wouldn't put too much stock in ISO 9001 rating. If you have a manufacturer who decided to put their propane tank under the keel, just as long as it was well documented and consistantly made, it would get a ISO 9001 rating. I would look personally at Outremer and African Cats as comparables for go fast world cruising boats.
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