Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 01-01-2014, 14:41   #1
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Mahe Anchor Handling Question

After much enlightened reading on this from past CF archives (such a fantastic resource) I am left with a persistent question about the drawbacks of the FP design placing the anchor under the tramp so you cannot get to it. Kanter's critique in his Cruising Catamaran Communique defines this as a poor design. While I see lots of owner improvements, what I really hope to achieve is a process to handle the anchor solo. Is this possible? If single handed Mahe anchoring is the goal, what have others done to perfect the technique?
__________________

__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 04:55   #2
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Anyone with similar single handing your anchor under tramp (behind the bows) concerns?
__________________

__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 06:19   #3
Registered User
 
tpkas's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
Boat: FP Mahe 36
Posts: 44
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Yes, I do have concerns. It's a PITA the way it's set up from the factory. In calm conditions it's not too bad however with any sort of breeze it's a 2 crew effort to raise the anchor without the chain abrading the hull. Setting the anchor after dropping can also be awkward. I intend adding a "lifting point" from the forebeam in the future. In fact, it may well be the next item on my list of things to do!

Regards,

Brian
__________________
tpkas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 06:53   #4
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Thanks TPKAS. I am six months into my research of designs for my less than 40' cat purchase 3 years from now. After reading Charles Kanter's self described "rant" on poor anchor placement design, I discovered the first negative about my top pick so far (Mahe). Recognizing that FP does this for most models! I have got to think that many have figured out a way to get solo deployment, retrieval done either through mechanical modifications or handling process, or both. There is so much to like about the Mahe that I don't want to let it go without learning more.
__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 07:22   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,424
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Keeping the weight off the bow is the reason for FP anchor placement. I'm sure being able to single-hand is a much lower request/requirement. You can single-hand the anchor, you just have to do it slowly. Raising the anchor from the helm without looking at it is a pretty stupid thing to try.

The more experience you gain owning a cat the more apparent it becomes that Kanter's wisdom is simply just another opinion. One that not everyone agrees with.
__________________
DotDun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 07:23   #6
Registered User
 
ShaktisBoy's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: West Palm Beach Florida
Boat: 07 Leopard 40 / 93 Hunter 30T
Posts: 344
The reason the anchor is there is to keep the weight centered in the boat. We have the same handeling issue with the leopard. If its rough or windy chaces are your chain is going to contact the hull. The hardest thing for us is setting the bridal. You have to reach through the narrow gap past the roller and hook it on, or pull the bridal up throuh the same gap and try to guide it back through when setting. The system is not ideal but is a compromise I can live with. Single handeling can be done in rough conditions if you utalize the autopilot as a heading hold with just enough power to hold you into the wind, release enough rode for the bottom depth and conditions then attatch the bridal release 20 or so more feet of chain and back down to set. I have done this before when anchoring alone. I certainly wouldn't let the anchor position keep me from an otherwise fine vessel unless of course you are comparing two boats side by side that you like equally well, cost the same and the deciding factor came down to anchor retrieval and deployment of one boat over the other.
__________________
ShaktisBoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 07:27   #7
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Got it. Appreciate your input Dot Dun. But what I am looking for is feedback from those who may have mastered the single handed anchor process using an under tramp, back from the bows design.

Shaktisboy, thanks for sharing your experience. The leapord is in the back of my top five due to the air and water draft (planning for FL and Bahamas cruising).
__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 07:40   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,424
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by RKsailsolo View Post
Got it. Appreciate your input Dot Dun. But what I am looking for is feedback from those who may have mastered the single handed anchor process using an under tramp, back from the bows design.
The only time you'll have a problem is when you have strong wind and current that are in different directions. In 'normal' conditions, go slow. In 'normal' conditions, the boat is held by the weight of the chain, you pull up the slack, stop, and let the boat move toward the anchor, then pull some more. The windlass isn't built to pull the boat, only lift the chain/anchor. In 'non-normal' conditions, either use the autopilot with engines idling in gear and/or run back and forth.

Although I generally don't single-hand, most of the time the 2 of us are up front while retrieving the anchor (one is just watching ).

If you truly single-hand, you should pick your anchorages carefully where you won't have big tidal flows.
__________________
DotDun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 07:50   #9
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Perfect Dotdun. Just what I was looking for. Technique is becoming clear.
__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 07:59   #10
Registered User
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Boat: FP, Helia 44 Evo
Posts: 5,717
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

If your worried you can add an Anchor davit roll bar which stops the chain form sliding up the sides and jamming.

We have a few Mahe single handers using it.

Anchor and Windlass
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Mahe chain hoop.jpg
Views:	132
Size:	346.2 KB
ID:	73263  
__________________
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 08:13   #11
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Thanks Cotemar. I appreciate your awesome curation efforts on FP and Mahe information. I was reading that thread earlier today and found it insightful. The rollbar solves some issues but not the potential chain drag across hulls. Wonder if there's some of us who have mastered this using a technique or modification or combination of the two?
__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 08:31   #12
Registered User
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Boat: FP, Helia 44 Evo
Posts: 5,717
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

You can single hand anchor no problem without the chain touching the hulls,but it takes a bit of practice. I have not rubbed the hulls in years.
__________________
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 09:24   #13
Registered User
 
RKsailsolo's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St Paul, US
Boat: Jeanneau 349 2015
Posts: 706
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

When you single hand anchor, are you on foredeck using GPS? Or do you limit single hand anchor handing only to calm conditions?
__________________
RKsailsolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 09:42   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,424
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by RKsailsolo View Post
When you single hand anchor, are you on foredeck using GPS? Or do you limit single hand anchor handing only to calm conditions?
I'm missing the point of using a GPS to anchor??
__________________
DotDun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 09:46   #15
Writing Full-Time Since 2014
 
thinwater's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Deale, MD
Boat: PDQ Altair, 32/34
Posts: 4,326
Re: Mahe Anchor Handling Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by DotDun View Post
I'm missing the point of using a GPS to anchor??
Dragging. Many folks like to establish they are not moving before adding bridle and power setting.
__________________

__________________
Gear Testing--Engineering--Sailing

Writing full-time since 2014.
Bookstore:http://sail-delmarva.blogspot.com/20...ook-store.html
thinwater is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
anchor

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 18:36.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.