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Old 31-01-2009, 16:07   #106
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Old 31-01-2009, 19:39   #107
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Old 31-01-2009, 22:17   #108
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Thanks!

As the story unfolds, try and visualize the type and size boat and then render a guess as to what type and size boat was involved:

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Avon 360 with a 10hp honda outboard? The dink that is...

Seriously, naming the yacht is a difficult challenge - but, given the description of pitching, slamming & yawing it sounds like a fairly light displacement, beamy, fin keeled boat (like all the charter companies use), with a deck salon type of arrangement. I'm guessing in the 40-45 foot range.

I'd rule out the heavier boats like Island Packet, Pacific Seacraft, etc. and anything from Britain or Scandinavia. Most likely a Med/Caribbean style boat like Beneteau, Jenneau, Hunter?
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Not a bad start, muskoka . . . warm in that even though there is slamming, it's not a catamaran.

Also, think bigger!
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Oh . . . that goes for the dink too . . . think bigger!
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How about one of the large bendytoe or bav types.
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Warmer . . .

BUT, it is NOT a cheap boat and it is over 50 feet!
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How about a hint - is it a US or an EU boat?
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A Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 54DS?
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Old 02-02-2009, 17:29   #115
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Offices in UK; Germany; and, Newport . . .

They make BIG yachts up to 125 feet . . .
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Old 02-02-2009, 19:37   #117
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Offices in UK; Germany; and, Newport . . .

They make BIG yachts up to 125 feet . . .
Oyster? They've got offices in Newport and obviously the UK. Not so sure about Germany (Also, don't know if they make anything larger than 82 ft)

edit: A quick google to their website shows a fleet up to 125ft.

http://www.oystermarine.com/theFleet...d=65&ref=fleet

And their Contact info shows:

Fox's Marina, Ipswich, Suffolk IP2 8SA

Saseler Str. 192a, 22159 Hamburg, Germany

Newport Shipyard, One Washington St,
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Oh, forgot to guess a model. You made reference to "neither of them" , a "6 man life raft", and "my friends", which tends to lend itself to a "couple". I can't imagine them being on anything larger than the 62 - so I'll guess it was a 53, 54, or 56? The 575 is too new, and there aren't a lot of 54's on the water yet either - so I'll narrow it down to the 53 or 56?
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This FP thread has drifted as far as that one pictured earlier.
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And the Winner is . . . . .

Aussieswede! It is an Oyster (but a 61)

Yes, the Oyster 61!

Specifications :

LOA 61.9 ft.
LWL 52.0 ft.
Beam 16.8 ft.
Draft 8.3 ft.
Displacement 69,000 lbs.
Ballast 21,280 lbs.

The story I posted is from a mass email sent out to us and all their friends by folks who cruise on an Oyster 61. It is a seven-figure PALACE of a huge sailboat. We spent a season with them in Bonaire. No kidding, it's a stunning BIG yacht.

You would never picture that people would be piling wet cushions on the salon floor of a 61 footer just so they could sleep.

You would also not tend to imagine that a BIG dink with a console would break loose and almost be lost.

But it is true. Going into "small" 8+ and 12+ seas SUCKS, even on big heavy monohulls.

The keel alone on that 61 weighs as much as my whole Lagoon 380 LOADED.

I am not throwing stones, but the report is a PRIME example that a lot of the so-called advantages of cruising monohulls over cruising cats in rough seas are often exaggerated.

We tend to go "over" the seas while monos try and go "through" them.

Anyway, even sailboats like an Oyster 61 have to WAIT for a good weather window, travel on accepted routes and within seasons or get their butts kicked and tear up the boat.

The folks on the 61 were NOT caught in extraordinary condtions for that area in the Caribbean. Melissa and I went boths ways on the same 420 mile route, Bonaire to St. John and then six months later another 395 miles from St. Criox to Los Roques.

We got roughed up a bit on that second crossing, even in a pretty moderate window. But, not a hair out of place on our catamaran. Our little Lagoon 380 has never faltered or made a misstep in any seas we have been in.

The Caribbean Sea can be pretty wicked and some patches are deemed by Jimmy Cornell as the 5th roughest seas in the world. Melissa and I have sailed through all of them in the Caribbean, but have been careful to pick the best seasons and windows.

Anyway, why did the folks on the Oyster weigh anchor and head out on an "iffy" weather window?

They were at the Los Roques (just off the coast of Venezuela) and the mosquitos were bad and they just got enough of it and put to sea.

Bottom line, since all cruising vessels (big and small, cat and mono), must wait for good weather, a great degree of the big debate about cats and monos is a "tempest in a teapot" and discussed in theory, not real first-hand ocean experience on both types of vessels and the fact that all small boats (as opposed to ships) can start to feel pretty small out there.

Today's modern cruising cats do a fabulous job and as time goes on and owners like me sing their praises at sea, the seaworthiness of cats will become more proven and appreciated, even by today's die-hard detractors.

One more thing. I'm sure you all read the harrowing report of the Lagoon 380 that capsized in 45 foot breaking waves a couple of years ago on a delivery from France to Miami, but they were re-routed midway across the pond to Annapolis though known-ro-be very risky North Atlantic seas that time of year.

That report, however tragic, gave me tremendous confidence in our boat. The 380 survived several bouts with huge sets of breaking 45 foot waves rolling through, and it did not flip for the longest time.

Then, one rogue wave finally broke right on them and flipped them. The boat floated, they escaped through the bottom hatches, the coast guard rescued the crew, all as is part of the catamaran plan.

But, heartbreakingly, the captain did not have on adequate clothes and he died of hypothermia before the rescue was effected.

I really was amazed the 380 stayed upright for hours in those seas! No sea anchor, not nothing.

Considering Melissa and I are "weather wussies" and will never make an ocean passage out of season or outside of accepted routes, the chance of encountering anything even close to those seas for hours on end is almost zero for us.

Thus, from the that 380 flipping, I was able to get a pretty good idea of where the brink is. I don't foresee me, or any other very careful cruiser, getting anywhere near that brink.

So, be happy, sail happy, and get the boat you like and play it safe!

All the best,

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