Originally Posted by pguillemin
I think that production technique have improved a lot since the Tobago.Boats are lighter and if they flex it is not due to rig tension but to design.
So your forestay stay tight and your windward angle get better.
I am doing a lot of sailing on all of the Fountaine Pajot boats as I import
them in the USA and I like the Mahe a lot.We did sea trials for Sail Mag and Practical Sailor after the last Miami
show with an owner boat ( ready for crusing ) and we did very well in term of speed ( review should be out this summer or late spring)
Obviously you have to keep the boat as light as possible.Remember that they are built as an introduction
boat to the world of catamaran
sailing and that everything that you do not use for a few months should be taken off the boat
We sailed Mahe up to 14,15 knots with a good breeze.That is what I called fun ,light and fast
The Mahe is specified as having a lightship weight of 5 tons (on the FP site) The Tobago weighs 4.2 (verified weight of my boat) . So where is the weight saving???? In all the nice 12 mm thick wooden doors and lockers, and other internal fittings? It doesn´t seem to be in getting a nice stiff hull
You originally claimed that some of the problems were from over tensioning the rig, now the flex is due to design - that is a point we can agree on. My statement earlier was exactly this point, too flexy and squeeky.
Keeping a tight forestay is I agree imperative (so why design flex into the hulls?), but the sheeting angle of the genoa
is limited by the rig design and the positioning of the genoa
tracks, due to the large triangle on the mast
These are the reasons for me mounting a track forward of the mast
so I can use a self tacking jib
for windward work in stronger winds, I don't sail faster but can improve my apparent wind
to below around 32 degrees relative, whereas the genoa points around 5 degrees lower. (This is on the Tobago 35) Tacking angle on the GPS
goes down to 90-95 degrees with the jib
I have had the Tobago at 18 knots (flat water
and 30-32 knots of wind with full main and genoa, empty boat) - but that in no way means that the boat is a fast boat. Even lightship she struggles to get above 55% of windspeed. In my book, that is not a fast boat. It has many other qualities, buts it's not fast.
The Mahe has wider hulls than the Tobago, so the waterline beam/length ratio is probably 1:10 roughly - that is not performance territory by any definition. Maybe you know what the waterline beam of a hull
is and can enlighten us?
The slothful performance of the boat is the reason why I will be rerigging my Tobago with a rotating wingmast, with an extra 3 feet of mast height and a square top mainsail
. I have for a number of years used a large Code 0 in kevlar flown off a bowsprit
, as well as a gennaker
These "extra" sails
enable me to keep up with some of the faster monohulls of the same length,in winds below 15 knots, (i.e. up to about 60-65% of windspeed) above that i can pass them as they get to their hull speeds.
Fill them up with 250 litres of water, 120 litres of fuel
, a small RIB
with a decent outboard
, 4 people and provisions for week, and you easily lose 10% of the speed.
I'm not knocking the FP boats (i've had one for 8 years and keeping it), they are good for what they are designed for, but calling them fast is a gross exageration of the facts.
I know your job is to sell boats, but in any business, living up to the (realistic) expectations of your customers is what grows the business, and keeps you profitable. (you might not need to work as hard on the next sale) But that is the long term approach.