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Old 29-09-2013, 11:19   #16
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

In Mac OS X you can use the Mac help system typing your search string into Mac Help Menu e.g. Key Shortcuts (Tastaturkürzel). Sorry, but german only...
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Old 29-09-2013, 15:55   #17
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

"...typing your search string into Mac Help Menu e.g. Key Shortcuts (Tastaturkürzel)"
That sounds pretty good to me.

I think some kind of optional Help Icon in the toolbar with a search string would be very nice. I think that icon should go to off-line (downloaded) help documents for the many vessels without internet.
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:12   #18
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

I picked this up from reading the manual, the first one is not in the Shortcuts list..haven't checked it. --For the manual?
M Drop Mark
Ctrl+M creates a mark at the cursor position.

Also for discussion and perhaps to go Tracker List would be:
1. Toolbar Icon to bring up Shortcuts list.
2. Access to Help with search of downloadable pdf?
3. Ability to program keyboard shortcuts yourself, by edit of a text file.
4. Ability to string several commands together (keyboard macro).
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:32   #19
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

From thread for v3.3.1006
124. Add shortcut key Ctrl-O to drop mark at ownship, remove "Space" and "Enter" shortcuts. (FS#1136)

need document change
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Old 07-10-2013, 17:17   #20
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

v3.3.910
M Drop Mark (does not drop a mark at the cursor) m also
[don't know where I read this in online manual, but it must be corrected]

Ctrl+M creates a mark at the cursor position. (does work)
so does Ctrl+m (consistent)
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Old 08-10-2013, 11:42   #21
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

The main thing to consider is that the starting of this threat is the FS#1136:
124. Add short cut key Ctrl-O to drop mark at own ship, remove "Space" and "Enter" short cuts. "
what is the situation with beta 1006 ?
With Vista:
ctrl + O and ctrl +o create a mark at boat position --------> OK
Space short cut does nothing -----> OK
Enter still create a mark at cursor position -----> this is the problem because it's the main raison of the undesired marks (it's too easy to create accidentally a mark with this short cut.)
So at the moment it should be asked to Dave to suppress this short cut . But the problem is that ctrl + M/m witch create a mark at cursor position generates the same code '13' as the enter key . thus it's difficult to separate an "enter" key press and a ctrl +M/m
That's why I proposed to replace ctrl +M/m or m by ctrl W/w

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JP wrote:
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But the problem is that ctrl + M/m witch create a mark at cursor position generates the same code '13' as the enter key . thus it's difficult to separate an "enter" key press and a ctrl +M/m
That's why I proposed to replace ctrl +M/m or m by ctrl W/w
Okay, You mentioned that before. How in heavens name does the computer distinguish between the spacebar and the ctrl+M or ctrl_m? Is this code 13 something created within Opencpn and under Dave's control? It certainly is not ASCII.

If Dave can suppress the spacebar shortcut (dropping a waypoint) without changing
ctrl+M and ctrl+m, would you agree to that?

If he can't, Dave can change it to ctrl+w or ctrl+W for Drop a waypoint at the cursor. OK?
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If Dave can suppress the spacebar shortcut (dropping a waypoint) without changing
ctrl+M and ctrl+m, would you agree to that?

If he can't, Dave can change it to ctrl+w or ctrl+W for Drop a waypoint at the cursor. OK?
Yes I agree ... but not suppress 'spacebar' short cut (which is already done ) but suppress 'Enter' key short cut
May be this 'Enter' key should be named 'Return' key for better understanding?
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:55   #24
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

Ok, I'm going to revise Tracker/Flyspray
"FS#1178 - UI Keyboard Shortcuts - keep upper & lower case the same command. Limit confusion due to Caps Lock." as follows:

Dave, for Keyboard Shortcuts can we have:
  • Ctrl+o or Ctrl+O Create mark at boat position.
  • O, o or F12 Show / Hide Chart Outlines.
  • Suppress both spacebar and enter [return] from any shortcut command without changing the function of ctrl+M and ctrl+m Create mark at cursor position
  • If that cannot be done (due to "code 13" problem), then use ctrl+W and ctrl+W in lieu of ctl+M and ctrl+m Create mark at cursor position.
I believe it will be more consistent and avoid use problems due to capitalization, Caps Lock, and inadvertent hitting of Spacebar and Return keys (important keys reserved).

Generally Upper and Lower Case should be same command to eliminate Caps Lock confusion.


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Re: Shortcut Keys List

Gilletarom wrote in another thread:
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Please, only one shortcut by function .... if technically possible.

And , if two shortcuts for the same function, ok .... but by example "Ctrl o" and "Ctrl O". No Ctrl+letter and Fxx or another pair.
Would you like to list the overlapping Function and Ctrl commands and tell us why you think one or the other should be suppressed so we can all discuss it and understand? Thanks.
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

Ok #24 for me
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

Hello All,

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Gilletarom wrote in another thread:
Would you like to list the overlapping Function and Ctrl commands and tell us why you think one or the other should be suppressed so we can all discuss it and understand? Thanks.
I do not quite understand what you're asking .

I did not mean that there were unnecessary features in the list of keyboard shortcuts.
I just use the keyboard shortcuts , but I understand that other users do not have the same point of view . Therefore , no question of intervening in the definition of the function list.

I simply ask that the keyboard shortcuts are easy to remember. So if Ctrl + o is a shortcut you can put as Ctrl + O. But it does not need Ctrl + o Ctrl + O correspond to two different functions. And I meant that if Ctrl + o is a shortcut , it should not be another shortcut for the same function ( Outside Ctrl + O) . And of course , it must be the same for Ctrl + a and Ctrl + A, Ctrl + B and Ctrl + B , etc ...

Same idea with Alt + lower letter and Alt + Upper letter.

By cons , , the special keyboard keys F1 ... F12, must correspond to 12 functions. No other keyboard shortcut must match the same functions. So I cannot agree completely the #24 post. If F12 show/Hide chart outlines, do not use o for this same function.

26 letters, Ctrl and Alt .... 52 functions possible and with Fx key, 64 shortcuts possible ...
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

Can we all agree to these quidelines?
1. Shortcut keys are easy to remember, Mnemonic
2. Combined key shortcuts use the same function for upper and lower case to avoid confusion created by the Caps Lock.
For example: Ctrl+o is the same function as Ctrl+O.
For example: Alt+o is the same function as Ctrl+O.
4. 26 letters, Ctrl and Alt & with Fx key (90 shortcuts possible).
3. Leave main keys like spacebar and enter [return] without shortcuts.

Gilletarom wrote:
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the special keyboard keys F1 ... F12, must correspond to 12 functions. No other keyboard shortcut must match the same functions. So I cannot agree completely to the #24 post. If F12 show/Hide chart outlines, do not use o for this same function.
For example, from the

Opencpn Manual Hot Keys and Shortcuts currently:
O or F12 Show / Hide Chart Outlines.

French versions:
French Shortcut Menus with Google Translate
French Context Menus - with Google Translate


Gilletarom, perhaps you'd like to list all of overlapping so we can discuss this change and which one should be kept. This is a big change in how shortcuts have been working and we don't want to mess up users either.

Show / Hide has two types of keyboard shortcuts (overlapping?). There are others in the manual.

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Also I have not tested all these shortcuts with the current beta, but we should! Has anyone taken a moment to do so?

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The new true/magnetic select feature may also need a "toggle"
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Re: Shortcut Keys List

In the list of keyboard shortcuts that I know, there are presently only three functions with two shortcuts:
- F12 and O. F12 enough.
- Space Barr and "Enter" key. This is the subject of debate.
- T and F3. For me F3 enouth.

In the same current list of shortcuts that I know, there are some letters that serve as shortcuts:
- A
- D
- L
- O
- S
- T

Respecting the previous guideline (#28), is expected to be the only keyboard shortcuts to change.
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First of all, whoever updated the Hot Keys and Shortcuts | Official OpenCPN Homepage page, thank you. Its much better.

Gilletarom wrote:
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Respecting the previous guideline (#28), is expected to be the only keyboard shortcuts to change.
Yes and refer to Post #24, where

Quote:
FS#1178 - UI Keyboard Shortcuts
  • Ctrl+o or Ctrl+O Create mark at boat position.
  • O, o or F12 Show / Hide Chart Outlines.
  • Suppress both spacebar and enter [return] from any shortcut command without changing the function of ctrl+M and ctrl+m Create mark at cursor position
  • If that cannot be done (due to "code 13" problem), then use ctrl+W and ctrl+W in lieu of ctl+M and ctrl+m Create mark at cursor position.
I believe it will be more consistent and avoid use problems due to capitalization, Caps Lock, and inadvertent hitting of Spacebar and Return keys (important keys reserved).
Changes so far. -We are discussing, at your suggestion, the Pros and Cons of possibly eliminating duplicated keyboard functions, and if so, which one. - "No other keyboard shortcut should match the same functions."
  • F12 and O. Show / Hide Chart Outline - Is F12 enough?
  • Spacebar and "Enter" key. - Suppressed, no longer a shortcut, I believe this is settled! This is the subject of debate.
  • T and F3. Show / Hide ENC Text - Is F3 enough? -For Gilletarom F3 enough
I note that alphanumeric are generally all Show/Hide...
  • A Show /Hide bottom features, useful when anchoring.
  • D Show /Hide CM93 Detail Slider. Hide only works, if the slider lost focus.
  • L toggles all Lights on/off. ENC Mariners Standard display category.
  • O Show / Hide Chart Outlines or F12
  • S Show / Hide ENC soundings.
  • T Show / Hide ENC Text. or F3.
And the Function key list is:
  • F1 unused?
  • F2 toggle Auto Follow on / off.
  • F4 Starts the measure tool. Esc Stops it.
  • F3 toggle ENC Text or T.
  • F4 activates the chart measure pencil.
  • F5 toggle Daylight, Dusk & Night mode, if built into the Chart
  • F6 General Dimming, in steps, of the entire Screen.
  • F7 Larger Scale Chart (Scale In) or Ctrl + Left-Arrow
  • F8 Smaller Scale Chart (Scale Out) or Ctrl + Right-Arrow
  • F9 Chart Quilting temporarily off/on, if quilting is on in Options
  • F10 -Unused?
  • F11 toggle Full Screen view.
  • F12 toggle Chart Outlines or O
  • Shift+F5 Reverse Night Dimming, if built into the Chart.
Also I note that:
  • F11 toggles Full Screen view,
  • F9 Chart Quilting temporarily off/on, if quilting is on in Options
and they have no Alphnumeric shortcut. Should it? If so, what?
F11 ---> F
F9 ---> Q
Generally should we have the alphanumeric be a toggle?
Should we open up the F11 and F9 keys for other functions?

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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