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Old 14-12-2010, 19:13   #16
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On a slightly different but related topic, has anyone thought of going to a major boat show (say Annapolis) and just standing around and handing out CDs with OpenCPN? I suppose the organizers might want you to rent a booth but I'm not certain there's much they can do about it if you're giving it away.

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Looks like people are being conned into paying for OpenCPN on eBay .

SIMPLE TURN ANY LAPTOP INTO A MARINE GPS CHART PLOTTER on eBay (end time 04-Jan-11 23:11:11 GMT)

It does not mention on any of the listings that the programme is freely available to download.
Actually, it does. At the end of the description is the following:

'This software on this CD is provided free to all users and is fully in the public domain.
You are paying for the CD and "A Reasonable cost for compilation and redistribution"
and NOT the software on the CD itself.'


Admittedly it isn't very prominent but it is there.

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Old 14-12-2010, 19:46   #18
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"going to a major boat show "
You mean, where other vendors may have PAID TO RENT A BOOTH?

The show organizers or the other vendors might get together to toss you off the docks. You know, they are all at the show for a profit, not just for the public good. Yacht clubs, Safety At Sea seminars, places like that might be a better place to give away things. Make it a DVD, add PDFs of COLREG and Bowditch and some other goodies...you'd have something folks would be eager to take home.
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Old 14-12-2010, 20:18   #19
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I don't disagree with you that the organizers will want you to rent a booth. However, I disagree with you that the only way to get people to accept a CD with free chart plotting software is to stuff it with all sorts of other things. The fact that you can use a moderately priced laptop (or even an older used laptop) and a ~$30 GPS unit and get a chartplotter that is equal to or better than many commercial chart plotters is I believe a major selling feature.

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Old 15-12-2010, 09:41   #20
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'This software on this CD is provided free to all users and is fully in the public domain.
OpenCPN is not in the Public Domain, it is licensed under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, and if you distribute OpenCPN you need to be familiar with this license.

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Old 15-12-2010, 10:00   #21
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OpenCPN is not in the Public Domain, it is licensed under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, and if you distribute OpenCPN you need to be familiar with this license.

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Yes. I've written to the vendor about exactly that point.

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Old 15-12-2010, 10:31   #22
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We use to inform eBay about fraudulent offers and usually eBay delete them very fast:

Von: eBay United Kingdom Customer Support - 5 <vero@ebay.co.uk>
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Thank you for contacting us.

We are pleased to inform you that the following listing(s) you reported have been removed from eBay in response to the Notice of Claimed Infringement you recently sent:

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We have notified the seller and all participating bidders that the listing(s) has been removed due to your request.

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Old 15-12-2010, 12:48   #23
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Jim, I don't say you have to stuff it with other things at all. But since you are "using up" an entire "disc"...why not make that disc as valuable as it can be, to attract the widest crowd? Might as well fill it with goodies, that makes it more likely to be kept and PASSED AROUND to other sailors. As opposed to someone looking at it and maybe tossing it after one look.
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When you put a copyright sign on it, when you do not own the rights - it's a violation against all copyright laws... Check on the bottom left of the page... A huge copyright sign...
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Frode, you misread that copyright notice.
"This listing, its design and layout, and product "
That's expressing a copyright on the LISTING ITSELF, because people rip each other off by copying an entire LISTING when they sell the same product. In this case the product is a CD, and yes, they can copyright the design of the CD even though they are not copyrighting the software that it contains.
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Tell me more about this situation in Germany. News to me, and I'd like to learn about it. Links?

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Frode, you misread that copyright notice.
"This listing, its design and layout, and product "
That's expressing a copyright on the LISTING ITSELF, because people rip each other off by copying an entire LISTING when they sell the same product. In this case the product is a CD, and yes, they can copyright the design of the CD even though they are not copyrighting the software that it contains.
Well, I'm not sure there. I will think that this is in violation with the lifework rules, witch is the same that goes for copied/ripped music/movies or pictures/sketches...
There has been several trials in EU countries regarding similar events like this when it comes to reselling open source software.

I personally think that this person should be fined and forced to contribute all the earned money into this community.
I have contributed with many hours of translating and beta testing, and would NOT have any other than the community (hereby OpenCPN) to gain a profit out of this.

Bring the bugger in front of a judge!
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I personally think that this person should be fined and forced to contribute all the earned money into this community.
I have contributed with many hours of translating and beta testing, and would NOT have any other than the community (hereby OpenCPN) to gain a profit out of this.
Bring the bugger in front of a judge!
I second this.
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Jim, I don't say you have to stuff it with other things at all. But since you are "using up" an entire "disc"...why not make that disc as valuable as it can be, to attract the widest crowd? Might as well fill it with goodies, that makes it more likely to be kept and PASSED AROUND to other sailors. As opposed to someone looking at it and maybe tossing it after one look.

You could even make it into an Ubuntu Live CD with loads of reference works (Bowditch etc.) and Software.
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