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Old 20-11-2014, 13:29   #61
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

I will git fetch again and try.

For my own understanding, The original "Iconbars"
(that I compiled windows for Jesper) are those also the "Toolbars" in "

"Show Toolbar in Fullscreen Mode"

I guess the answer is "yes". Toolbar Buttons | Official OpenCPN Homepage and this will be the primary interface for Opencpn. So I guess the correct terminology is "Toolbar" for these icon buttons.

I got confused, why would these want to be off in partial screen mode and then be turned on in Full screen mode?

Also how are they turned off when in partial screen mode?
(I know of no shortcut or command to do this, nor do I think we need one!) -We need them I think. I don't know why we even have this option:

"Show Toolbar in Fullscreen Mode"

Can anyone explain?
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Old 20-11-2014, 13:46   #62
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Hello Dave,

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Hubert...
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As you discovered, when you push the "Alt" key you get a temporary menubar. The bar will stay visible and active until the next mouse click on the chart, of any type (move, drag, zoom, etc.). Then the temporary menubar will disappear.

Is this intuitive, or too distracting? We could change this to do something else...

Dave
1° At first, I did not notice the effect of the use of the "Alt" key only. I saw it was mentioned in 391 but did not understand immediately. I have read the post of Hubert and your response to me realizing it.

2° Regarding the use of the "Alt" button to appear or disappear the new menu bar.

I found that it could interfere with other software. I have an example which I am faced.

I use the software "Greenshot" to make my screenshots. Among the options of this software, it is possible to realize the screenshot of the active window on which is the mouse copy. For this, we must simultaneously press the "Alt" and "Screenshot" keys.
I realized that the result of the screenshot was different from one test to another. Sometimes the menu bar appears on the screen shot, sometimes the menu bar does not appear on the screenshot. But in all trials, the menu bar is displayed on the screen O.

A full keyboard shortcuts, ie with "Alt" + another key on the keyboard might be better.

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Old 20-11-2014, 14:04   #63
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

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Hi all
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what do not work :
- toggle full screen doesn't work but seems logic
- many function : auto follow, record track, show enc text, almost all AIS menu, create route etc...

just two remarks :
..
2) The menu bar is redundant with tool bar. For those who prefer menu, may be an option to hide the tool bar could be better

Jean Pierre
I agree with Jean Pierre (# 26) on the functions of the menu bar that does not work properly.

On the other hand, I have observed that some functions of the menu bar should change the appearance of the associated icon in the toolbar. This is not the case.

I do not agree with the second observation of Jean Pierre about the extinction of the toolbar. Some features of the toolbar are not in the menu bar.
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Hello Dave,

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Gilletarom...

I am sorry you feel that O is becoming more complicated. That is not the intent.
...
Thanks for listening
Dave
I appreciate the true value of the time you took to write the post # 42 for me. And that time spent in my service, thank you.

I go back for a moment on the fact that O is more complicated. Count the number of items in the 1.3.6. Then idem in the 2.5 versions. Then idem with version 3.2.2. Finally, count the number of items in the 3.3.2316 release.

I do not do these counts but I am certain that they alone explain why I say that O is more complicated.

And I did not ask you to count items plugins. Some of them require a university degree to be understood. ( )

Best regards. Gilletarom.
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

8c700f6..e5cfca9 master -> origin/master and compiled

1. If "Menu Bar" shows, a click on chart turns it off (Thank you Gille.. did not figure that out or see Bdcat notice). This action is ok with me.

2. Note that Options > User Interface > Change some menu bar and tool bar settings > Hit "Apply" does not seem to do anything, but hit "Ok" and the UI Menu disappears and the action is taken. -- Maybe "Apply" should not appear on this UI menu page?

3. Still have not figured out what the checkbox for "Show Toolbar at Full Screen" really does. When is the "Toolbar" hidden?

-- I am thinking #3 above has to do with the Transparency of the "Toolbar"?
-- I've been using opengl and thus the Toolbar does not go transparent, ever!

Have turned off opengl with "Enable Transparent Toolbar" checked and "Show Toolbar in Full Screen Mode" checked.
Partial Screen mode and the "Toolbar" goes transparent.
Full Screen mode and the "Toolbar" goes transparent.
These two checkboxes appear to be independent.

I still don't know what the devil "Show Toolbar in Full Screen Mode" actually does.
Is it something that is left over from before?


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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Rick:
#3:
Show Toolbar in Full Screen Mode


Try this:

1. Enable
"Show Toolbar in Full Screen Mode." Go to full screen mode (F11). See the toolbar? OK. Go back to normal view (F11)

2. Disable "
Show Toolbar in Full Screen Mode". Go to full screen mode (F11). Toolbar is gone! (i..e Show toolbar in full screen mode is not true.)
F11 back to normal mode to see the toolbar.

Now I do not recall when or why this option was added. To me it is minimally useful. O without a Toolbar or menubar is just pretty pictures.

So I would be happy to remove this option, unless someone feels strongly about it.

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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Yes, I finally get it! Thank you.

If "Show ToolBar in Full Screen Mode" is checked
when F11 is hit the Toolbar shows.
If "Show Toolbar in Full Screen Mode" is not checked
when F11 is hit the Toolbar does not show.

and that is the way it works.

Yes, I do agree that "Show Toolbox in Full Screen Mode" checkbox could be removed to simplify Opencpn use, and reduce the number of options (Gille.. we understand), particularly with the the option to easily move the Toolbar and even more so when the transparency feature is working (when not using Opengl). As you can tell, I have never used the feature.

However I do not know how others feel or how they use the program. I happen to need the Toolbar, and I like the ability to "Alt" the menu bar and the way it disappears when you click on a chart area!

Thanks for putting up with my pushy inquisitiveness.
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Hello Dave,

EeePC, W 7 Stater. O 332316.

Initially, a connection was established but it is not active. This connection appears, when it is active, the positions of vessels with an AIS transmitter around the Swedish coast.

In addition, I placed voluntarily boat far from Sweden. See screenshot # 1

If I activate the connection, then:
- The boat is moved automatically in Sweden, see screenshot # 2
- The "Move boat here" disappears from the menu. See screenshot # 3.

It does not seem to me appropriate that the boat is moved and the command "Move boat here" disappears.

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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Hello Dave,

Hide the toolbar can be very dangerous. Beware he who does not remember well the list of keyboard shortcuts.

It is not normal that the MOB icon can be hidden. We engaged in a discussion about it there long.

Take the example of a boat where two sailors are the crew. Suppose the marine number 2 does not know the keyboard shortcuts and assume that the toolbar is hidden. Assume the worst ... Marine # 1 falls into the sea!. The Marine # 2 can not use the man overboard button.

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Gilletarom,
the Swedish AIS signal includes a sentence manipulating own ship. This signal may be filtered. This was mentioned here in the forum. I wil search.
By the way, the repetition-rate of AIS-sentences is abaut two minutes.
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Gilletarom,
the Swedish AIS signal includes a sentence manipulating own ship. This signal may be filtered. This was mentioned here in the forum. I wil search.
By the way, the repetition-rate of AIS-sentences is abaut two minutes.
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@Gnomon : Thank you.

@Dave :
But no longer displays the "Move boat here." This should not be the case.
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In Fullscreen mode the menu shows when hovering the mouse pointer to the upper border of the screen. That is the case for Mac OS X Yosemite.

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BTW this works with or without the toolbar in Fullscreen mode.

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#G:
It was a long search

Re: AIS TCP feed "Frisco" is down?

8.1.2014 Hakan:

It seems empty. But if you just want data for test you may try:
ais1.shipraiser.net:6492 showing parts of the Baltic.
But beware there is a GPRMC message included so if you don't want to "move" your ship to the west coast of Sweden you may try to filter the RMC out.
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Re: OpenCPN Beta Version 3.3.2316 Released

Carcode advises:
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In Fullscreen mode the menu shows when hovering the mouse pointer to the upper border of the screen. That is the case for Mac OS X Yosemite.
BTW this works with or without the toolbar in Fullscreen mode.
Ok, here is another reason to eliminate Options > UI checkbox for "Show Toolbar in Full Screen mode" --> Os X does not use it.

This is not a bad idea, but that does not happen in Windows...

Alternative: Have the Toolbar show all the time (in Full/Partial Screen) and have a 1/2 button "Expand/Shrink Menu" right next to the grabber to relocate the toolbar, leaving one small 1/2 button when the menu is shrunk.

However I think the interface should be consistent across platforms if possible...
How can we keep this simple and still let the Tablet guys have the menu available without gymnastics?

Above all we do not want to drive BDCAT or anyone else crazy with requests. Lets try hard to simplify and get this right the first time.
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