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Old 10-01-2015, 11:49   #1
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OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

Motivated by the discussion about the size of soundings on ENCs and knowing that "after a new version is before the next version" here a resume of a comparision between OpenCPN 4.0.0 and ECDIS, plotter and navigation systems as required for SOLAS vessels.

The idea is not to homologate OpenCPN but to have a "look over the fence" to find ideas and concepts that might be useful for us.


OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)
Resume comparing OpenCPN 4.0.0 with the requirement for ECDS systems.


We don´t talk here about the rendering of charts (ENCs/RNCs) as we understand that full compliance is paramount in any case.


In the sense of looking for and sharing “best practise’s” a list of functions and tools found in the ECDIS standard IEC61174 which are not implemented today in OpenCPN follow below.


User Interface


1-click back to Standard Display - ECDIS defines a Standard Display with the minimum of required information at any given moment for navigation. “Views” or predefined lay-outs or panels would be a corresponding feature.


Auto-follow with a user defined reference point and not limited to the center of the screen


Text and symbols with a minimum size as defined in S-52, i.e. 2.5mm
Text fonts Sans Serif and legible from a distance of 1 meter.
Remember here the debate at the forum about the size of soundings.


Route planning


Curved segments, insert waypoint. There are systems that add WOP (Wheel Over Points) to the route. Not so interesting for pleasure crafts perhaps.


check route against safety contours, guard zones, hazards or “off-limit” areas


define XTE which triggers alert


Track/Route monitoring


Alert with a defined look-ahead time about hazards, zones or objects vulnerating the defined safety contours


Alert XTE excess


Automatic time labels, ticks and user comments on the track


Dead Reckoning (DR)


as a secondary positioning source. Requires DR and visual position fix by Lines Of Position(LOPs)


Tools


EBL and VRM (minimum one for each). Parallel Indexing Lines is another tool found in commercial systems


Charts


Mariners Information, Mariners Charts, Navigators Notes. These are user created manual entries of symbols, texts, simple lines or shapes as layer


Manual updates of charts (corrections on base of NTMs)


VDR


Focused on liability – in addition to time, position, speed and heading charts in use are recorded
It shall not be possible to edit entries.

If somebody wants to see how these concepts are implemented by others here is a publication:

http://www.furunousa.com/ProductDocu...11-16-2012.pdf


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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

We have the Furuno ECDIS on board the OSV I work on. We haven't gotten an update for the ENC charts yet because the ship just got commissioned a few weeks ago. On the previous vessel, we had a Transas system which I think is hands down better than the Furuno unit thus far. On the Furuno, AIS doesn't just show up when it's in range, you have to manually click on a target which is a pain the butt when your in Port looking to hail someone. The night mode is impossibly too dim and whoever picked the colors should be fired. There is no way to trim down the soundings, it's either on or off, the Transas could select only soundings below a certain depth. We can't seem to get the Furuno to track the ship, has to be done manually.

So if your looking to compare products to Open CPN, take a look at Transas. I'm thinking it was cheaper for my company to go Furuno because all the other equipment (radar, ais, VHF, navtex, gmdss, ssb, etc) are all Furuno. And I'm sure the Furuno ECDIS is a cheaper alternative to Transas just by going with features. I don't know.

Now some.of this could change when we get a update disc for the charts. But as I stand now, the Transas is more like Open CPN from what I can tell.

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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

Ronnie,

the Furuno does not serve as a benchmark, it's just to illustrate the functions the standard requires (we can't quote entire chapters of the standard due to copyright restrictions).
And the Furuno manual has been the first we stumbled over.
Is there a link to download the Transas manual?

And from your point of view, what do you miss today most at OpenCPN 4.0 ?
What would you think are the most interesting points to tackle?

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Ronnie,

the Furuno does not serve as a benchmark, it's just to illustrate the functions the standard requires (we can't quote entire chapters of the standard due to copyright restrictions).
And the Furuno manual has been the first we stumbled over.
Is there a link to download the Transas manual?

And from your point of view, what do you miss today most at OpenCPN 4.0 ?
What would you think are the most interesting points to tackle?

Hubert
Oh I got you, that's understandable. The Transas manual and other documents are here: http://www.transas.com/products/ECDI...7234#downloads

We had the older Navi Sailor 3000 on the other boat. So the newer one is most probably faster, has bugs fixed and most probably some new features to boot.

To be honest, I haven't had a chance to install the 4.0. I have been offshore since before Christmas and get home in Feb. I had a previous 3.x version on my macbook-pro but I had to give that up for my sister as hers crapped the bed and she needed it for college. I haven't gotten a new laptop yet as it's going to be one of the latter things I do as I'm refitting my boat.

When I get home I'll load 4.0 on my windows desktop at home and let you know my thoughts on the comparison of the three for sure. I have been trying to keep up with it and the new features sound exciting, so I'm pretty amped to play with it when I get home.

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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

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. . . The idea is not to homologate OpenCPN . . .
Homologation of OpenCPN would be a Linux-like achievement.
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Old 02-03-2015, 15:12   #6
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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

Don't know - is that something we need or would like?

Apart from homologating Hardware/Software packages and moving tons of documents at a high expense - where is the fun??

Learning from best practices, yes. And in case we have functionalities that are better than those of commercial systems, nobody will complain neither.

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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

Thank you BCN

I am interested in improvements in this area

Text and symbols with a minimum size as defined in S-52, i.e. 2.5mm
Text fonts Sans Serif and legible from a distance of 1 meter.
Remember here the debate at the forum about the size of soundings.
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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

It is worthwhile re-reading BCN's post. With considerable effort going towards Android there is not enough programming hp for these features, but it worthwhile considering what is needed/appropriate and discussing it, and finally adding those items to tracker feature requests.
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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

You must be out of this world comparing oCPN with ECDIS. When you make oCPN to be at least close to Maptech Chart Navigator Pro or some of euronavs seaPro you can talk about ECDIS. At the moment oCPN is noting more than "fools gold" using 5 years old pirated cm-93s.

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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

Ah, a so called professional - or not so professional....

What is the latest version you tested?
Did you test up-to-date S-57 charts or official raster charts?
Raster charts directly derived from official charts like the "visit-my-harbor" material?
Or perhaps the S-63 charts? You are aware that OCPN can use exactly the same charts required by SOLAS - licensing them?
Are you aware of not that few installs on the bridge of not very small vessels?
Often for planning purposes. Or to train people for the change from paper charts to ENCs.

And more important: what are the features you think OCPN needs to overcome the "fools level"?

Btw.: ECDIS requires a minimum and the paper is about things we can learn from this requirements.

Btw.2: You know for sure about the use of pirated paper charts on SOLAS vessels, don't you?
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...At the moment oCPN is noting more than "fools gold" using 5 years old pirated cm-93s...
Apparently you know very little about OpenCPN software. I think of OpenCPN as a software tool for viewing multiple sources of data -- instrument data via Dashboard plugin; weather data by various plugins; and GPS, AIS, and DSC data -- all overlaid on a chart of the user's choosing. The "user's choosing" part is critical. You bring your own charts, and they can be as good or as bad as you want them to be. If you want to pirate outdated cm-93 charts, that's your choice. OpenCPN is merely the tool to display them. And where feasible, the team tries to comply with ECDIS standards.

I assure you that those of us sailing US coastal waters are unlikely to be using pirated cm-93 charts, since NOAA provides nice quality raster and vector charts that can be downloaded at no charge.
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Apparently you know very little about OpenCPN software. I think of OpenCPN as a software tool for viewing multiple sources of data -- instrument data via Dashboard plugin; weather data by various plugins; and GPS, AIS, and DSC data -- all overlaid on a chart of the user's choosing. The "user's choosing" part is critical. You bring your own charts, and they can be as good or as bad as you want them to be. If you want to pirate outdated cm-93 charts, that's your choice. OpenCPN is merely the tool to display them. And where feasible, the team tries to comply with ECDIS standards.

I assure you that those of us sailing US coastal waters are unlikely to be using pirated cm-93 charts, since NOAA provides nice quality raster and vector charts that can be downloaded at no charge.
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Bcn, so you know, my fiancee and I just purchased a new MacBook so I'm excited to put the new 4.0 build on it and start running it through its paces.

Any particular items or comparisons you have so I can compare between the Furuno unit on my vessel at work(and the older Navi Sailor 3000) and Opencpn?

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Re: OpenCPN 4.0 and ECDIS requirements (IEC61174)

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(...)

Maptech Chart Navigator Pro or some of euronavs seaPro

(...)

At the moment oCPN is noting more than "fools gold" using 5 years old pirated cm-93s.

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Chart Navigator or SeaPro I have never heard of.

The version of OpenCPN I know displays BSB charts.

Not sure what exactly you understand by fools gold but having used MaxSea and Deckman I can't say I find OpenCPN lacking. In some ways (e.g. AIS implementation, customer support, documentation, patches) OpenCPN is actually light years ahead compared to other players in the field.

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