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Old 26-05-2011, 04:31   #1
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Hot Keys ...

Before adding a task to the tracker about something that might be not a bug I'd like to ask here ...

How are the Hotkeys intended to work?
Should they change their respective config settings or work only temporarily?

Example: F9 key - Chart Quilting on/off
Works only if chart quilting is already enabled in the toolbox.
On next start quilting is on (if enabled in the toolbox) no matter if it were turned off by the F9 key before closing the program.

IMHO this behaviour is a bit confusing but I am not sure if it is a function or bug?

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Old 26-05-2011, 06:11   #2
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F9 key - Chart Quilting on/off
Works only if chart quilting is already enabled in the toolbox.
On next start quilting is on (if enabled in the toolbox) no matter if it were turned off by the F9 key before closing the program.

IMHO this behaviour is a bit confusing but I am not sure if it is a function or bug?

Gunther
It's a departure from the way the F9 key worked before build 506 so it is a bit confusing, but Dave said the change was intentional. Look at FS455.

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Old 26-05-2011, 11:56   #3
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Re: Hot Keys ...

hello,

By test, 240-523 :

1° If item quilting in toolbox/config is OFF, F9 do not change anything.

2° If item quilting in toolbox/config is ON (ticked), F9 change but the item is always ticked.
So when you run OpenCPN, it is normal that the quilting is effectively "ON". Even you have use F9 betwen shutdown OpenCPN at the previous use of OpenCPN.

I thing that this is correct without bug.

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Old 26-05-2011, 13:45   #4
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Re: Hot Keys ...

Attention :

If the zoom level is too large, then the F9 key can not seem to work. Logic: A single chart can then be displayed on the screen.

And so,this may give the impression that, there is a bug. It's is not.
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Old 26-05-2011, 14:36   #5
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Re: Hot Keys ...

Fabbian ...
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It's a departure from the way the F9 key worked before build 506 so it is a bit confusing, but Dave said the change was intentional. Look at FS455.
Thanks for the hint - I knew I have overlooked something ...

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By test, 240-523 :

1° If item quilting in toolbox/config is OFF, F9 do not change anything.

2° If item quilting in toolbox/config is ON (ticked), F9 change but the item is always ticked.
So when you run OpenCPN, it is normal that the quilting is effectively "ON". Even you have use F9 betwen shutdown OpenCPN at the previous use of OpenCPN.

I thing that this is correct without bug.
I see your point but for me a 'Hotkey' or 'Shortcut' should behave like the function that I could otherwise also reach.
That means in this case switching on/ off chart quilting.
I mean it is the user's choice. But when choosen a state (on or off) it should remain in that state and not change without any user action but which is the case here (after closing and restarting the program). IMHO this is confusing.
And anyway, I really don't see a big difference if F9 would change the config setting, too. And so it would always work not depending on the config setting.
Once you get used to Hotkeys it is a bit annoying if they depend on certain config settings instead of setting/ toggle these config settings.

BTW: Maybe we should think about the signaling of the quilting function (on/off) again?

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Gilletarom ...

I see your point .......

BTW: Maybe we should think about the signaling of the quilting function (on/off) again?

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Personally, I can not use hotkeys. My memory can not work with this type of thing. All software included, there are hundreds!

Also, I was glad that there are very few icons on the screen. I begin to fear, with the development of plug-in that the screen becomes unreadable as that of other charting software.

I recently saw several requests to add indicators that we say, for example, the status of this or that ... Disaster.

Keep the screen OpenCPN simple! Is this possible?

Conservons OpenCPN simple ! Est ce possible ?
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Personally, I can not use hotkeys. My memory can not work with this type of thing. All software included, there are hundreds!
But that is why Hotkey should act in one consistent way - like
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  • STRG + V

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Also, I was glad that there are very few icons on the screen.
I agree. That's one reason for FS#475.
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I begin to fear, with the development of plug-in that the screen becomes unreadable as that of other charting software.
But isn't it one of the biggest advantages of plugins that if you don't need a functionality you don't have to use it (and therefor also do not have the icon(s))?
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I recently saw several requests to add indicators that we say, for example, the status of this or that ... Disaster.
I see it the other way around - the more complex OCPN becomes the more important it is to see important (config) settings at a glance!

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Keep the screen OpenCPN simple! Is this possible?
I am sure that it works - but we have to work on it.
But to waive important controls is imho not the right solution.

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Re: Hot Keys ...

Gunther, etc....

I find it best to think of F9 not as a hot-key to a config item, but as something else entirely.

It is temporary ( ie. non-sticky) no-quilt toggle, nothing more.

Someday, we will probably eliminate the config single chart (no quilt) option entirely, as a common simplification.

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Someday, we will probably eliminate the config single chart (no quilt) option entirely, as a common simplification.

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As far as CM93 charts are concerned, that would prevent (with the current settings) user's tweaking of their positioning ....
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Someday, we will probably eliminate the config single chart (no quilt) option entirely, as a common simplification.

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Will we still be able to use F9 to turn off chart quilting?

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