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Old 28-10-2015, 14:12   #76
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

Dear bcn (I guess that must be your real name then!?)

I used my rights and published a free version of OpenCPN on the Play Store and got under heavy fire from many ignorant people for that (to use your guerrilla war analogies). If you have a personal issue with that, feel free to ignore me.

That is all.
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Old 28-10-2015, 14:32   #77
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

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Dear bcn (I guess that must be your real name then!?)

I used my rights and published a free version of OpenCPN on the Play Store and got under heavy fire from many ignorant people for that (to use your guerrilla war analogies). If you have a personal issue with that, feel free to ignore me.

That is all.
That's exactly what's about: backed by "legal", "my rights" one does not debate but tries to nail down.
You did not answer my first point. Or perhaps now you did: "I am entitled to step down on others with legal titles in my hand". Not interested to clear issues.

Your position is not practical. Just a demonstration of being the bearer of a higher morality. Something that does not add anything to OCPN. Or anything to other projects but your idea about yourself. Poison for any project.

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btw.: if you search in the forum you will find me. Very simple. Nothing to hide.
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Old 28-10-2015, 15:18   #78
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That's exactly what's about: backed by "legal", "my rights" one does not debate but tries to nail down.


It was debated - in great length - over here: OpenCPN for Android V1.0 Production Release



I actually asked Dave myself, see here: OpenCPN for Android V1.0 Production Release

Dave responded with a link to this (you may even want to read it): What Does “Free as in Speech” or “Free as in Beer” Really Mean?



Also, on the same thread, Dave suggested that people roll their own.



Now stop bothering me with your yadda yadda yadda. I'll be ignoring it from now on. Thanks.
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Old 28-10-2015, 18:06   #79
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

You didn't roll your own. You repackaged.
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

Quack quack quack. Nothing wrong with that. Since build scripts are missing in the source, this was the most elegant way to build a free, GPL-compliant package.

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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

Yens...
Elegant? Probably a matter of personal perception. Would you mind to upgrade the package to include the changes in the current codebase? In case your package is still 4.1.915 as you state in the description it contains a few annoying bugs in my code which I don't like being available in the wild for an unnecessary amount of time. But of course, you don't have to, just to be clear.

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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

Don't think it's called OpenCPN Mobile, but the choice is apparent.


Play Store search - OpenCPN Mobile returns the following:
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Yens...

- So can you tell us why you went into a guerrilla war instead of discussing your objections and arguments in advance? - don't think I expect "constructive critics". Critics and arguments are well placed if they show weaknesses or wrong argumentations. Don't have to support. If something is wrong it is wrong. And nobody never had any objections to debate stuff with an open visor in this forum.

- So now you are proud about what? Having withdrawn a lot of efforts from the development to "I'm a White Knight" stuff debates?

- You think as an user of OCPN anybody of the developers or practical supporters does owe you something? Evangelist??

- Hiding behind a pseudonym why? A private crusade what for?
And don't come now with GPL: see point 1


Finally a personal comment:
You spoiled my evenings over the last days.
And you did make harm to Dave.
I don't want to see you here anymore.
+1.

At the very least be nice about it instead of the confrontational attitude & manner of posting so far, so different from the happy helpful nature of the rest of the opencpn project/crowd.
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it contains a few annoying bugs
I'll have a look this weekend and either repackage or build depending on how much time I have for testing. Is it in the main project or one of the plugins?
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Both, of course.

BTW, if you chose a less "elegant" solution and actually did the build, you would a) probably know what you distribute and b) Would not have to use quack and STFU as your arguments because less people would actually have the feeling that what you do is not kosher and "bother" you...

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Dear bcn (I guess that must be your real name then!?)

I used my rights and published a free version of OpenCPN on the Play Store and got under heavy fire from many ignorant people for that (to use your guerrilla war analogies). If you have a personal issue with that, feel free to ignore me.

That is all.
Yes Sad isn't it.

But I think according to Dave on his forum, Google's action to fully enforcre the GPLv2 and require that Dave remove all Android OpenCPN additional licencing code, if he wishes to destribue GPLv2 code,

COMPLETELY VINDICATES Yens brave decision to distribute a completely free of charge Open Source version of OpenCPN Android.

Well done Yens. You have kept OpenCPN Free and Open.
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

Can't the moderator close this thread? (and block certain users from posting!)
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

Champ8242, I think to suppress this would be wrong. There are good arguments to each side.

I haven't tried either Android version as yet, but will soon and it will probably be the paid version. For such a great sailing tool, with support, it's a small price to pay. I might download the free version first to see what it's like before committing (I object to the Google 15 minute money back deal).

On the other hand, the licensing rules were bent. It took a small number of vocal posters to take action and the result is now licence compliance.

So now we have a choice to get it free, without support, and an uncertain upgrade future. Or we can pay and get support with updates as they are released.
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Re: Free Android OpenCPN new download location. OpenCPNce help needed.

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Can't the moderator close this thread? (and block certain users from posting!)
Champ....as a programing troglodyte, I find this discussion very interesting and quite revealing.

I really do appreciate the efforts of all those developers... but the passion of this fuzzy logic reminds me of a bar girl's marketing plan

Viewing and basic communication is offered for free, but often enhanced by a voluntary purchase of drinks.

The professional plan offers full access and most importantly, technical support, which if the product was really up to spec......would not be needed.

It appears that the oldest and newest professions, have a lot in common..
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Google's action to fully enforcre the GPLv2 and require that Dave remove all Android OpenCPN additional licencing code, if he wishes to destribue GPLv2 code
Oh, interesting, so my guess wasn't that far off.
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