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Old 20-01-2013, 00:15   #1
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Europe Cartography for Open CPN?

What cartography is available for European waters? I don't mind paying for it and indeed it's important to me that it be really up to date. I don't want Navionics because that's what I have on my regular plotters - want a different view. Any hints?
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i used this recently,great for uk waters,it also may be what you are looking for your smart phone


UK / Irish waters JULY 2012 charts for SeaClear, 800 charts for £29.50 ??? : by Bryant [SeaClear FREE Windows navigation software] - VisitMyHarbour articles
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Hello,

Have a go on the OpenCPN user Guide, a page is reserved for this topic, you will find charts for ocean and for inland water.

Chart Sources | Official OpenCPN Homepage

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Re: Europe Cartography for Open CPN?

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What cartography is available for European waters? I don't mind paying for it and indeed it's important to me that it be really up to date. I don't want Navionics because that's what I have on my regular plotters - want a different view. Any hints?
To put it bluntly, there is no commercial offer that covers Europe, either raster or ENC, and none is forthcoming...
e.g. Complete up to date raster coverage for UK is available at a very decent price, patchy free up to date ENC for Netherlands, obsolete raster coverage for a few countries countries by NV-Verlag, but nothing decent for France, Spain (Atlantic or Med), Italy, Greece...
Opencpn is popular in Europe because of the 'availability' of the so-called CM93 world-wide vector charts, latest installement 2011...
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Hmm, Visit My Harbour don't recommend using their excellently priced charts with anything but Maptech software.
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To put it bluntly, there is no commercial offer that covers Europe, either raster or ENC, and none is forthcoming...
e.g. Complete up to date raster coverage for UK is available at a very decent price, patchy free up to date ENC for Netherlands, obsolete raster coverage for a few countries countries by NV-Verlag, but nothing decent for France, Spain (Atlantic or Med), Italy, Greece...
Opencpn is popular in Europe because of the 'availability' of the so-called CM93 world-wide vector charts, latest installement 2011...
So you can't use OpenCPN in Europe without using pirated charts?

That's a shame. There's no problem with cartography for INavX - all of Atlantic Europe, right up to date, for a very good price. Only it's Navioics. . . and plus I don't much like INavX. . .
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So you can't use OpenCPN in Europe without using pirated charts?

That's a shame. There's no problem with cartography for INavX - all of Atlantic Europe, right up to date, for a very good price. Only it's Navioics. . . and plus I don't much like INavX. . .

Dockhead,

This is not the truth, you can use OpenCpn with plenty of legal free charts and/or commercial (billable) charts.

Only CM93 charts are illegal, you can use OpenCpn without them (ou with them at your own risk).
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obsolete raster coverage for a few countries countries by NV-Verlag, but nothing decent for France, Spain (Atlantic or Med), Italy, Greece...
Having a quick look at the site of NV-Verlag there are quite a lot of parts of Europe covered - 2013 edition they are stating.

So perhaps somebody using those at the different countries and regions might comment on the quality perceived.
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This is not the truth, you can use OpenCpn with plenty of legal free charts and/or commercial (billable) charts.

Only CM93 charts are illegal, you can use OpenCpn without them (ou with them at your own risk).
OK, can you point me towards some sources?
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Hmm, Visit My Harbour don't recommend using their excellently priced charts with anything but Maptech software.
The Visit My Harbour site has a page with some links to OpenCPN specific offerings see visitMyHarbour.com Articles.

As far as I know the Visit charts, recommended only for Maptech, does work with OpenCPN (bsb4 plugin). The quality is said to be superior using Maptech , but I could not see much of a difference on the few screen-shots that I have seen. "bdbcat" offered to help out and see what he could do, to fix possible display problems on OpenCPN, but was never given the opportunity to do so.
It would be really interesting with an independent report of the display quality on OpenCPN, for these charts.

The workaround for the Maptech "problem", from Visit My Harbour, was to introduce the ChartStick for OpenCPN and other plotters.

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Re: Europe Cartography for Open CPN?

Visit My Harbour (a fabulous, free pilotage resource, by the way, which I've used for years) looks like a good solution for UK waters if there is a version which works on OpenCPN. Wide coverage and excellent price.

NV Verlag sell tiny little bits and pieces for 98 Euros a pop. No wide coverage areas. They are 10 years behind the times. Screw that.
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Putting to one side the legal issue -- let's suppose for the sake of argument that I have nothing against using pirated charts.

I really would prefer -- even if this were not an issue -- to have freshly updated and supported charts.

I have INavX on my IPad, and I bought charts for the whole Western part of Europe including the Med to Marseilles, totally up to date, from Navionics, for I cant remember exactly but I think it was 80 euros or something. And for a whole year I could continuously update them.

That's real value. I would gladly pay those 80 euros (or whatever it is) to have charts which came from a known, reliable source, and which are fully updated, even if I had not ethical problem with using pirated charts (and maybe I don't; I'm not saying).

The problem is Navionics don't seem to make a product suitable for OpenCPN, and besides that, my new regular plotters use Navionics and I would prefer something different, to have a second opinion, as it were, about any given place. I wish I could buy CMap charts (Jeppessen), but they apparently also do not offer any suitable product
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Re: Europe Cartography for Open CPN?

Re PCs, apart from Maxsea, the SOB (aka SoBvMax) app from DigiBOAT Navigation Software does read CMap charts on CD or from (with a dedicated external reader) Cmap chips. Clunky interface, IMHO
The app is not expensive, but the charts are.

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Re: Europe Cartography for Open CPN?

There is to the best of my knowledge no chart product covering Europe compatible with OpenCPN. Except CM93-2.

Garmin, Navionics and CMap charts cannot be read through OpenCPN.

NV Verlag might be useable through the plugin, but the charts are of very poor quality and not based on official sources. Delius Klasing offer raster charts based on official sources, but they are only compatible with their own chart plotter software.

It's possible to cover Europe through official S63-charts through Chartworld Infos - www.chartworld.de, but they cannot be read through Opencpn (PolarNavy is cheap and excellent) - the price for Europe complete would be astronomical.

OpenSeamap project is not at all suitable for navigation.

So it's really depressing.

The only hope is that tablets with Jeppesen's Plan2Nav (free) and also Navionics similar product for tablets/Ipads will make prices more reasonable. The danish hydrographics office recently announced that a future product through Seapilot | Stockholmradio will offer official S57 charts on Ipad.
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