Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 4 votes, 2.00 average. Display Modes
Old 21-12-2009, 09:36   #361
Senior Cruiser
 
idpnd's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Almerķa, ES
Boat: Chiquita 46 - Libertalia
Posts: 1,551
Well kerryd, if you had to pay for your charts TWICE you'd perhaps permit my use of the term "free" (limited to the second iteration of twice in most of the world!)
__________________

__________________
sv Libertalia
idpnd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2009, 11:44   #362
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: New Jersey USA
Boat: Cape Dory 28 Sloop - s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
Posts: 197
Quote:
Originally Posted by idpnd View Post
Well kerryd, if you had to pay for your charts TWICE you'd perhaps permit my use of the term "free" ...
In fact I DO pay twice. I have been using digital charts since 1993 but even now I cannot imagine going to sea without "the real thing," a navigational chart that is not subject to electrical failure. We carry paper charts of sufficient detail for every cruise undertaken and these are not FREE in the US or elsewhere as far as I am able to determine. In recent years my costs for paper charts have run about 300% higher than electronic materials for the area under consideration (and in a few cases this is a low estimate).
__________________

__________________
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http:\\yachtkerrydeare.blogspot.com
kerrydeare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2009, 12:18   #363
Senior Cruiser
 
idpnd's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Almerķa, ES
Boat: Chiquita 46 - Libertalia
Posts: 1,551
I see.. there are affordable providers such as Bellingham charts.. It may be asking a bit much to furnish everybody with free paper charts (consider parallel development for roadmaps?)
__________________
sv Libertalia
idpnd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-12-2009, 20:57   #364
GDD
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 61
NZ charts

Hi,

Can someone explain what the story is with these NZ raster charts?

NZMariner - Official Raster Navigational Charts

The description all sounds like the are free like NOAA's charts of the USA, yet they are in a format i've never seen before.

thanks,
george
__________________
GDD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-12-2009, 21:55   #365
Obsfucator, Second Class
 
dacust's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Southeast USA.
Boat: 1982 Sea Ray SRV360
Posts: 1,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by GDD View Post
Hi,

Can someone explain what the story is with these NZ raster charts?

NZMariner - Official Raster Navigational Charts

The description all sounds like the are free like NOAA's charts of the USA, yet they are in a format i've never seen before.

thanks,
george
They are encrypted and can only be used by certain software packages.

See this page.

-dan
dacust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-12-2009, 11:55   #366
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Rome
Posts: 320
Chartcal-V16

Hi all, here you can find a new chartcal.dir. It now contains 214 New Zeland charts data. Please use KapGen beta05 (if you don't have already) available at MCE66 - Software for MAP building. This new Chartcal.dir is available also at the above link as individual download.

The data base now contains all the:
NZ2*, NZ3*, NZ4*, NZ8*, NZ9*, NZ14*

Partially includes:
NZ5*

Still does not include:
NZ6*, NZ7*

Let me know about errors, suggestions, etc.

Ciao, Marco.
Attached Files
File Type: doc CHARTCAL-V16.zip.doc (65.8 KB, 42 views)
__________________
GPS-Marco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-12-2009, 11:58   #367
GDD
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 61
NZ 'free' charts

Thanks,

I've looked a little closer now. They seem to come with license files. So even though they are encrypted, when you download them you get some sort of key. Am I mistaken, or isn't this a new type of chart format that opencpn could perhaps be made to read? From the effort on this thread to convert the free .tiff charts to BSB, am I supposed to infer that the answer is no?

Also, since i just have read this thread over the last few days, does someone have some summary instructions on how to download these free .tiff charts and convert them to BSB? I"m heading to the Bay of Islands in a few weeks...

thanks
george
__________________
GDD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-12-2009, 12:18   #368
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Rome
Posts: 320
Quote:
Originally Posted by GDD View Post
Also, since i just have read this thread over the last few days, does someone have some summary instructions on how to download these free .tiff charts and convert them to BSB? I"m heading to the Bay of Islands in a few weeks...
thanks
george
George, Bay of Island is covered now by latest chartcal-v16. If you use windows just download KapGen at MCE66 - Software, download also new chartcal V16 and substitute old chartcal in /Calibration folder with latest (V16), run KapGen and build the maps you need (NZ512, NZ5125, NZ5124_1 just to start...). Use -l to have the list. Attached is your destination in OCPN.

Please: don't forget official charts for your safest navigation.

Fair winds. Ciao, Marco.

Click image for larger version

Name:	BayOfIslands.jpg
Views:	131
Size:	172.8 KB
ID:	12238
__________________
GPS-Marco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-12-2009, 12:23   #369
GDD
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 61
NZ

Thanks Marco,

I will try this out and let you know how I do. I will be using CM93 when I get there, I just always prefer to have something to check cm93 against.

George
__________________
GDD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-12-2009, 20:11   #370
Registered User
 
sredna's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Vester Skerninge, Danmark
Boat: Svendborg Senior DEN 38 Kate
Posts: 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by idpnd View Post
Oddly enough, I suppose the content would have to be manually copied from existing commercial charts (which were generated with taxpayer money in the first place) for this not to constitute copyright breach.
Unfortunately that is not good enough, for data to be free, you have to collect them and licence them free for use, the OSM database have requirements - look here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/F...t_come_from.3F
__________________
sredna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-12-2009, 04:22   #371
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Rome
Posts: 320
Chartcal-V17

Hi all, let me wish you an happy new year with the newest version of chartcal.dir that now contains 238 New Zeland charts data. Please download KapGen beta05 (if you don't have already) available at MCE66 - Software for MAP building. This new Chartcal.dir is available also at the above link as individual download.

The data base now contains all the:
NZ2*, NZ3*, NZ4*, NZ5*, NZ8*, NZ9*, NZ14*

It still does not include:
NZ6*, NZ7*

Refer also to this Chart Images site for help in chart numbering.

If you have built maps with older chartcals, please rebuild NZ4541, NZ4541_1, NZ4314 (calibration info are updated). Moreover a new edition of chart NZ4315 has been released so if you have already built that map please delete nz4315.tif from /Img folder and rebuild NZ4315 and NZ4315_1 (KapGen will dowload the new version).

Let me know about errors, suggestions, etc.

I wish you the best, and of course... sailing in fair winds and good company

Ciao, Marco.
Attached Files
File Type: doc CHARTCAL-V17.zip.doc (71.4 KB, 34 views)
__________________
GPS-Marco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-12-2009, 06:54   #372
Senior Cruiser
 
idpnd's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Almerķa, ES
Boat: Chiquita 46 - Libertalia
Posts: 1,551
Quote:
Originally Posted by barnakiel View Post
Agree. Would be very good to be able to calibrate and use rasters under OpenCPN.

barnie
There is an albeit complicated way of achieving this now, in the future there has been discussion of implementing an open referencing standard (NOT seaclear's) to produce (transparent) overlays with google earth images et al, such as the open KMZ (compressed KML reference with image file) standard. Weather gribs are already implemented within the software as it stands.

Best wishes
__________________
sv Libertalia
idpnd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2010, 07:43   #373
Senior Cruiser
 
sinbad7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Ubatuba,SP,Brazil (Ex Norway)
Boat: (Ex) Alu. 60' yacht-"Eight Bells"
Posts: 2,717
Images: 57
Send a message via Skype™ to sinbad7
Good harbour chart of Genova based on NaviChart's map base.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Genova-NaviChart.jpg
Views:	140
Size:	294.0 KB
ID:	12323  
__________________
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by."
sinbad7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2010, 19:22   #374
GDD
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 61
NZ

Hi;

I have tried out the mapcal program and had some degree of sucess. First, I was able to convert the NZ14XXX charts and load them in OpenCpn, but not into any other plotting program (i have maxsea and and an old Nobeltec). In maxsea I see just the chart outlines but no image, whereas Nobeltec is unable to load the charts at all. Both these programs work on all other forms of raster charts I have (bsb, NOSGEO, hdr etc etc).

My second issue to report is that next I tried NZ5125 and 5124 and these did not work so well. Opencpn could load them, but only if they are in a directory on their own. So, If the 14XXX charts and 51XX charts are in the same directory, and i tell opencpn that that is my only chart directory, then the 51XX charts do not load.

Hope this info helps.

Thanks
George
__________________
GDD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2010, 21:36   #375
cruiser

Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 751
Quote:
Originally Posted by dacust View Post
I wonder if someone like Active Captain would be interested in hosting.
I'm sorry to bring back a quote from before. I was noodling around OpenCPN and found this back from earlier in the thread. A couple of thoughts:

1. Why didn't anyone contact me? Geez! I'm a developer myself. I love the idea of where OpenCPN is going. I've followed it and have installed it from time-to-time over a long time now. While ActiveCaptain might mistakenly look closed, the ability to access the data from "outside" is a huge part of the design. We've been working hard to build the data and I think we're "there" now. You'll start to see a variety of others accessing the data in the upcoming months.

2. We have a ton of bandwidth and storage available for hosting lots of things. Please! Let me know what you're interested in and let's find a way to make it available. ActiveCaptain is all about cruisers providing info for other cruisers. Heck, none of the data is ours. It all comes from others. We provide the conduit, tools, and marketing to get it out and used.

Here's what I see...

There are a variety of chartplotter applications out there. We all know them well. None are designed to integrate outside data, especially POI data, together for the user. They're typically pretty good at integrating navigation data...but user's want more than that.

Want to get OpenCPN into the hands of thousands of users? Make it a guidebook. Combine it with an offline SQLite database and download the data from ActiveCaptain for offline use. Now you have a real chartplotter and a replacement for every guidebook that exists. And by the way, our data is way better than any guidebook for marinas, anchorages, bridge restrictions, ICW hazards, etc. We're not charging for the data...the software becomes free...and the user now has something worth hundreds (thousands?) of dollars just considering the Waterway Guide replacements. Once the "guidebook" is in the hands of a few thousand boaters, you have a great conduit for pushing other navigation capabilities to them. We have some additional features coming like route sharing, position logging and sharing, etc. These all make sense for OpenCPN.

We have 20,000 users today. The number one thing we're asked about is offline access. How many of our users do you think would want an offline ActiveCaptain?

I don't have time to do the OpenCPN coding but I certainly can help assist an effort to integrate to our data. And get me involved in whatever hosting issues you might have also. Perhaps I can help with that too.
__________________

__________________
ActiveCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
charts, kml, raster2bsb, tiff2bsb, bsb

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Charts on CD stxboy Navigation 43 28-01-2014 11:40
Charts for BC Charlie Navigation 11 19-04-2007 04:39
Used Charts daven Navigation 2 28-11-2006 17:47
Looking at charts - where to go to next Rippy Other 19 10-03-2006 05:27



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:55.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.