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Old 23-02-2010, 03:48   #31
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Thanks for the pic JHook....that boat looks awesome!
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The hull weld-up as described would be around $200,000 USD in the Netherlands. I don't think it would take more than 6 months because they've made many of these before - nothing new here. I didn't inherit and I believe this would be cheaper than updating a similar used boat. Besides, where am I gonna get a boat without an engine and all of it's related systems and components? The boat I want simply is not available other than from scratch.

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That would be a nice setup, but at $200K plus the outfitting I think you could do a lot better in steel. If you look at Moitessier's last boat, Tamata, I think you'd see a very self-sufficient boat with a minimum amount of gear and interior buildout. And I'm sure he probably didn't have $50K total in it, maybe even half of that. Besides, if you want aluminum and have that kind of money to spend, why not just get an older Ovni and you are all set.
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200.000 hull means approx 600.000 sailaway, right?

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If you got that much to spend- maybe a hermit lifestyle would work for you. Just don't let me see you swiss bank numbers....
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My plastic Cat is thirty years old. Anti-fouling needed, not much else.
Standing rigging should be every ten years, sails every 8 yrs or so. Engine, for marina work and emergencies only. Solar (10 yrs) for re-charging batteries (5 yrs).
2 crew and sail trimming should avoid any need for an auto-pilot/wind vane.
Soft bimini (8 yrs) rigged to collect rainwater, fishing for fish and for gulls. {A feather disguising and a sharp hook will catch gulls when you strike right and you're desperate}.
2 crew remaining in harmony, with no outside company for a year (6 wks).
What are we trying to achieve? And why?
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If I could' my choice is a pro build to my specs...
Tiki 31 with deck size 'Semi Dome Dodger' for extra shelter.(see Kali)
Water in bladder tanks in each hull with manual pumps.
Manual water purifier. Solar shower bag.
Solar/wind generators.
Camping Gaz/Propane cooker with efficient oven.
H/H GPS, H/H VHF, SSB, 1000w inverter, ST1000 Tiller Pilot.
LED strobes, oil lamps for cabins.
3 batteries each dedicated to separate jobs.
Electric and hand tools, spare line for rigging and lashings.
Portapotti for 'protected/monitored areas.. bucket and chuckit/racing dump elsewhere.. Just don't chuck the paper thats what causes the problems.. the rest gets eaten by marine life.
Slat floor inflatable with oars... forget the liferaft.
Sculling oar and 2hp Honda 4.
Dedicated storage for waste till reaching suitable disposal sites.
Thats one things that really p#*@'s me off, the amount of crap chucked overboard by lotsa "Yachties"... cant even be assed to Pierce their beer cans.. and the plastic water bottles....
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That's a better boat than mine for long cruising. I like the double cabins too, but mine's really for the odd week, and day sailing. Whether we ever get to the med for a couple of years, well it will just be the two of us.
I will always have reservations about going forward to work the jib and main sails though.
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That would be a nice setup, but at $200K plus the outfitting I think you could do a lot better in steel. If you look at Moitessier's last boat, Tamata, I think you'd see a very self-sufficient boat with a minimum amount of gear and interior buildout. And I'm sure he probably didn't have $50K total in it, maybe even half of that. Besides, if you want aluminum and have that kind of money to spend, why not just get an older Ovni and you are all set.
A steel hull has to be kept 100% covered with paint at all times - inside and out. It's a constant battle against rust. Aluminum will last longer than I will without a drop of paint. The Madeira 46 plans (pictured) are available in Aluminum, steel and wood. The steel is 6000 pounds heavier than the aluminum. I wouldn't be able to sail it without an engine because it's not nimble enough. I would need an electric windlass with bigger battery bank and everything else related.

Lifting keels, double rudders, etc. do not provide the simplicity and sailing performance I want. But yeah, they're really nice boats that can go anywhere. But way overpriced IMHO.
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If I could' my choice is a pro build to my specs...
Tiki 31 with deck size 'Semi Dome Dodger' for extra shelter.(see Kali)
Water in bladder tanks in each hull with manual pumps.
Manual water purifier. Solar shower bag.
Solar/wind generators.
Camping Gaz/Propane cooker with efficient oven.
H/H GPS, H/H VHF, SSB, 1000w inverter, ST1000 Tiller Pilot.
LED strobes, oil lamps for cabins.
3 batteries each dedicated to separate jobs.
Electric and hand tools, spare line for rigging and lashings.
Portapotti for 'protected/monitored areas.. bucket and chuckit/racing dump elsewhere.. Just don't chuck the paper thats what causes the problems.. the rest gets eaten by marine life.
Slat floor inflatable with oars... forget the liferaft.
Sculling oar and 2hp Honda 4.
Dedicated storage for waste till reaching suitable disposal sites.
Thats one things that really p#*@'s me off, the amount of crap chucked overboard by lotsa "Yachties"... cant even be assed to Pierce their beer cans.. and the plastic water bottles....
I just love the Wharram cats! Almost bought an old Tangaroa. The style and philosophy of his designs are the essence of self-sufficiency to me. My favorite right now would be a Tiki 38.
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200.000 hull means approx 600.000 sailaway, right?

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That's about right for a brand new factory built Madeira 46 with basic sailaway package including paint. BUT - if you finish the interior, install the rigging, and install the gear yourself, you're looking at no more than an additional 100 thousand. And you get exactly what you want. Keep in mind that my boat will have no engine system, prop shaft, fuel tanks, etc. Very basic.
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If you got that much to spend- maybe a hermit lifestyle would work for you. Just don't let me see you swiss bank numbers....
Last time I checked a decent Valiant 40 was in the $200 range.
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Last time I checked a decent Valiant 40 was in the $200 range.
Prices have come down:

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Besides, who said my Valiant was anything but a derelict when I bought her. After working on her for a year, she's pretty decent now....
And she is a non blister boat!
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Sorry, the above was off- topic. To get back on, this thread has made me realize I might be able to (if I am careful) replace my propane cooking with a solar oven. Has anybody done this?? (It seems a question i am asking alot on these forums.)
Now of course there would be days with no hot food. But while working on her, (and she was without a galley) I went two or three days with just water and current temp food, or cold food out of a cooler. So I am thinking I might be able ...
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