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Old 17-07-2015, 07:45   #1
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Windows 10 and mandatory updates

I just read an article
Windows 10 updates to be automatic and mandatory for Home users | Ars Technica

that says that there will be no way to turn off updates on Windows 10. That's going to impact cruisers with limited access to the internet. Trying to download an important email? Please wait while we phone home to Microsoft first, then download 1.2GB of updates...
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Old 17-07-2015, 09:13   #2
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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

Like Windows 8.1, the new version of Windows will support "metered connections" as described here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions

But as the FAQ states, priority updates will still be downloaded even if the connection is set to metered. Fortunately these critical updates are almost always security patches and typically not too large, but still may be problematic over a sat phone.

For more control over update timing, you will need to install Windows 10 Pro instead of Home. While Pro will not allow updates to be deferred indefinitely, you can prevent them from downloading for several months while you are between high-speed internet access on a passage or in remote locations.

You get a free upgrade to Windows 10 as long as you are currently running Windows 7 or higher, with non-Pro versions upgrading to Home, and Pro versions upgrading to Pro. To upgrade Windows 10 Home to Pro will cost $99.
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Old 17-07-2015, 09:20   #3
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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

If 10 is anything like 8 why would someone volunteer to leave 7?
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Old 17-07-2015, 09:38   #4
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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

One of the guys in our office has been testing 10. He says it seems to fix most of the issues with 8 but it will be a little annoying at first because it uses a lot of the interfaces from 8. He says alot of the utilities etc in the background seem much reliable in 10 then they were in 7 or 8. We'll have to wait and see but it seems to be a typical Microsoft where every other release is the one to get in other words skip 8 and go right to 10. He ways particularly amazed at how much better certain blue tooth and USB connections work with oddball equipment that were always a problem with previous releases.
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@Sailmonkey: Win 10 is not Win 8. We have been beta testing it since close to the beginning of the year and in my opinion it is basically Windows 7 on a desktop and an improved Windows 8 on touch devices with a mostly seamless transition between the two if you go from tablet mode to desktop mode.

As much as I disliked the Windows 8 interface, Microsoft did make a number of significant improvements to the OS like speeding boot-up time, improving security and taking full advantage of new technologies available like SSD drives. Windows 10 looks to be the best of both worlds and I am very pleased with it so far.

And perhaps most importantly, the chart plotting software I use (Coastal Explorer) has been running on it with no problems as well.
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If 10 is anything like 8 why would someone volunteer to leave 7?


I will be buying a new laptop for my new (to me) boat and it will come with Windows 10 er 8 uh...

Pretty much no choice when going with new hardware.

I bought a new laptop when Windows 8 was brand new. OMG what a fail! Moving it backwards to Windows 7 was unsupported and HARD, and this was 3 years ago. Finding all of the Windows 7 drivers for the new hardware was tough but doable. I don't think you would have a prayer of doing that now.

So as for me, I will probably never upgrade my existing Widows 7 laptop, but I will be forced to move when I get my new laptop for the boat.

OTOH as has been mentioned, all the really NASTY stuff from Windows 8 seems to have gone away.
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If 10 is anything like 8 why would someone volunteer to leave 7?
Because 8.1 came on my new laptop.

Actually, I don't hate Windows 8.1. I've been using it for almost a year. Metro is pointless for me, sure, but I just click past it. For this laptop, I will most likely let it upgrade to 10, but I'm not out cruising the oceans.

If I was building a laptop optimised for cruising, it would be running Linux.
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If I was building a laptop optimized for cruising, it would be running Linux.
Bingo! Linux is a good DIY cruising platform and there are pre-built cruising solutions around. It is more efficient than Windows and you control pretty much everything.

But....if you need Windows for your income or can't install Linux then eventually you will have to go with 10 Pro I think. M$FT will hound/nag all the 7/8.X users until they surrender and upgrade to 10. They simply can't keep ahead of all the security issues in the older systems. There's no guarantee they can keep ahead with 10 but it should be a lot harder for bad actors to hack 10.
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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

I also have been testing 10 for a number of months. Just got an upgrade yesterday. I don't like the fact you don't have control over updates and I don't like the backup system. Why has MS never paid attention to proper backup? I think other things I don't like about it are really because of the little lap top I am using. I think I will hang on to my Win 7 Pro desktop for a while but may succumb to 10 in a few months.
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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

So long as 10 will allow one to do away with the stupid tiles and the "metro" theme, I suppose it might work.
I've got a netbook/tablet that runs full 8.......it sucks. Navigating the "apps" drives me bonkers! The damn thing always want to store photos somewhere else than where I want to locate them, etc....


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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

I'm not familiar with the newer OS's, but you guys make it sound like Windows 7 is better than the newer ones.
That, & is it me, or does MS phuk up every time they come up with a new & "better" OS?
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Windows ME, Vista and 8/8.1 have been ho hum leaving only win 2000, Xp and 7 as truly successful versions. Personally I was driven to Linux by windows 8 which, while not perfect, does everything I need it to do with a whole lot less fuss .

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Re: Windows 10 and mandatory updates

Thanks all! I'm being hounded to update to 10. Using 7 still on laptop. Your conversation has really opened up my eyes. I'm not the computer lover, it's just a needed tool, and get tired of beating my head on the wall figuring out what to do. So happy I looked into this post. You're always a wealth of knowledge. For now, staying with 7. Thanks you.
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I was perfectly happy with Windows 97.
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