Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 17-12-2012, 13:40   #1
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Which Radios to Keep?

Hello Cruisers,

I have recently purchased an older boat with quite an array of radio gear.

The boat has:

1 x GME GX558A (VHF) working well.
1 x Kenwood TS 430S (HF?) apparently working.
1 x Wagner 1829MR (SSB?) apparently working.
1 x GME GX287A (AM?) apparently working.
2 x Wagner ATU1A (something to do with aerial tuning?), untested.

We plan to use the boat for light coastal cruising around South Australia for at least the next five years, and the boat is unlikely to be used for anything very serious in the way of blue water use.

My question is, which of these radios should I keep and, where required, get training/a license to operate them? I would really like to simplify the navigation gear for a number of reasons, not least of which the current array is using a lot of space.

Thank you,

Matt
__________________

__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-12-2012, 13:48   #2
Moderator
 
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cowes (Winter), Baltic (Summer) (the boat!); somewhere in the air (me!)
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 19,737
Re: Which radios to keep?

If you like radios you can't have too much radio gear. Keep it, treasure it, learn to use it all, caress it, upgrade it, whatever.

If you don't, then chuck it all except for the one essential -- the VHF.

It's binary.
__________________

__________________
Dockhead is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17-12-2012, 14:02   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,243
Re: Which radios to keep?

I like the added safety of DSC and AIS, so I would sell the GME and get a Standard Horizon GX2150.

1) You have one-touch distress calling with position and vessel data.

2) You have AIS reception.
__________________
MarkSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-12-2012, 15:00   #4
Senior Cruiser
 
AfterHoursNLCT's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Quaker Hill, CT (just above the US Coast Guard Academy)
Boat: Silverton 34 Convertible
Posts: 190
Re: Which radios to keep?

The TS-430 is a HF Ham radio. Could sell it on E-bay...LL
__________________
AfterHoursNLCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-12-2012, 23:56   #5
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Which radios to keep?

OK, thanks for that. So keeping the VHF seems a no brainer, but I am confused about the HF. I am told it will receive weather faxes so I assumed it was marine, and it seems to be registered etc, plus the person who put it in the boat was the real McCoy when it came to sailing.

Either way, am I right in thinking the SSB is not worth keeping. I can't fnd any reference to them being used any more, but I might be looking for the wrong thing.
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 00:07   #6
Registered User
 
Teknav's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Texas - USA
Boat: Twin Otter de Havilland Floatplane
Posts: 1,838
Re: Which radios to keep?

Your bigger issue...can you generate enough electricity to power everything on board? This should determine what to keep, sell or upgrade.
__________________
Teknav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 00:36   #7
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Which radios to keep?

Good question. But yep, there's a fair bit of power available, 4 decent solar panels (totaling 250Watts), an Aerogen 6 wind generator plus 80Amp 12V and 24V alternators. All tested and putting out close to manufacturer's specifications.

470AH of new AGM batteries for house power, and near new 24V bank for the engine.

I've done a very careful audit of power consumption over the five day shakedown, and aside from the power lost to one of the engine room blowers melting itself to a puddle, every electron was accounted for. :^)

Also, we are old campers, and that's about 100 times the power generation and storage capacity we are used to.

But the navigation station is REALLY cluttered, and I would like to reduce it to something logical. Even if I just pull out the un-needed radios and store them in the attic. I just don't want to shoot myself in the foot by removing something I need.

M
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 01:09   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 175
Re: Which radios to keep?

I would suggest keeping everything for the time being, while you settle in. Its too easy to tear stuff out of a boat, only to find later that it had a real use.

The GME GX287A is a 27meg transceiver. 27 meg has been almost completely taken over by VHF. Here in Queensland, I dont know anybody who uses it. The VMR here say they still listen on 27meg. Don't know what the situation is in SA.....suggest inquiring at your local VMR (and joining up!). Maybe that set might be a candidate for removal.

Your other GME set is an old, but firstclass VHF...definitely one to keep if you are not upgrading to DSC just yet.

I am not familiar with the Wagner, but if it is a functioning HF/SSB, I would be very loath to remove.

You should have a Marine Radio Operators Certificate (MROP) for both the VHF and SSB (there was/is still? a proposal to dump the MROP requirement for VHF, but I have lost track of the status of that proposal). You also need a ship's station license for the SSB. If the Kenwood is Ham, not marine SSB, then I don't think its legal in a ship...best just keep quiet about it. CASA, or whatever it is called nowadays, will have all the details on its site. Your VMR should run courses leading to MROP.

This might sound daunting, but its all quite easy, and very little cost. Just something that goes with operation of a vessel.

Banjo
__________________
banjoship is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 03:31   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,055
Re: Which radios to keep?

The VHF is all you really need until you are sailing to far away places. Buy something new when that time comes. Chances are it will be way superior to anything you have now.
__________________
savoir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 05:38   #10
Senior Cruiser
 
AfterHoursNLCT's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Quaker Hill, CT (just above the US Coast Guard Academy)
Boat: Silverton 34 Convertible
Posts: 190
Re: Which radios to keep?

The TS-430S has a 150 kHz to 30 MHz general coverage receive capability. You certainly could use it to recieve WX Fax...LL
__________________
AfterHoursNLCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 06:00   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 175
Re: Which radios to keep?

Corrections to my earlier post:

Its Marine Radio Operator's Certificate of Proficiency MROCP

The spectrum manager is ACMA, not Casa, at
ACMA - Home page

CASA is civil aviation..lol
Banjo
__________________
banjoship is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 15:56   #12
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Which radios to keep?

Thank you all. I will do as Banjoship has suggested and leave well alone for now There's a ton of paperwork and license stuff with the radios which came with the boat, I will have to work out what I need to renew, plus get myself certified appropriately.

MORE work. :^)
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 15:58   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,243
Re: Which radios to keep?

Do you need a license for a radio that's never switched on? They are operators licenses, after all.
__________________
MarkSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 16:13   #14
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2011
Location: PDX
Boat: Gulfstar 50
Posts: 893
Re: Which radios to keep?

Quote:
Originally Posted by AfterHoursNLCT View Post
The TS-430 is a HF Ham radio. Could sell it on E-bay...LL
One came with my boat. I sold it on ebay and got $400+ for it. This went a long way to paying for a Marine SSB (that was also programmed for ham bands if you have the license).

I would sell them all off and get a new vhf with ais (unless you plan on a class B AIS unit) and add a Marine SSB if you want SSB.

Regards
__________________
evm1024 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2012, 17:34   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,055
Re: Which radios to keep?

I reckon that in 5 years sailors will be using some form of cheap satphone for everything. They are there now, just not very cheap.

Maybe toss the 27meg unit. you'll never use it.
__________________

__________________
savoir is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HF SSB Ham Radio Option Communicator Marine Electronics 127 21-04-2014 14:40
Marine SSB Radios Used for Ham Radio Capt.Don Marine Electronics 48 16-01-2014 08:52
Satphone & HF for Ocean Crossings? Sabbatical II Marine Electronics 106 08-07-2012 01:43
For Sale: SSB ICOM Radios for Sale mgy Classifieds Archive 9 20-06-2012 04:33
VHF Radios Streets1234 Marine Electronics 10 04-05-2012 07:00



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 21:50.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.