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Old 14-03-2009, 16:57   #1
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What would you get for $10,000?

Gentle people,
We are getting perilously close to actually laying down our hard earned cash and buying “the boat”. In general the electronics on the contestants is old and I had planned on replacing everything anyway. If one only had $10,000 to spend on electronics (boy I never thought I would use those two words together, only and 10K) and you were starting from scratch on a 47 foot cat what would you get?

Thank you for your input

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Old 14-03-2009, 17:21   #2
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Old 14-03-2009, 17:22   #3
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Epirb, GPS, Gyro Compass, Chart Plotter, Inmarsat....are we at $10,000 yet?
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Old 14-03-2009, 17:31   #4
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Good full-power VHF in nav station...$400
SSB/ ham radio with tuner...$1500
Furuno gp-32 hard-wired GPS...$400
Raymarine ( or Furuno) plotter-radar dome combo...$4,000 with a chart-chip or 2
wind-speed-depth instruments for cockpit...$1200
AIS receiver (routed into plotter) $400 includes vhf-antennae splitter

All prices are my best WAG's...leaves about $2k left...maybe a handheld vhf, another gps, and some nav software.

All are just my opinion, and my best guesses on price.
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Yeah, love it. And the autohelm pilot
Keep the same brand throught your boat (and $10k) and it will integrate well.

How I would love $10k shopping spree!
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Old 14-03-2009, 18:51   #6
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That's so far beyond my budget, it's hard to think about - but the things I'd start with:

Depth Sounder
Auto Pilot
VHF
Stereo
amp meter
volt meter
map plotter gps
hand held gps
hand held VHF
Fire, smoke, propane, Co2 Alarms - maybe high water alarm
electronic fuel gauge (depending on tank system)
hand held wind gauge
Iphone if near shore cruising.
Ipod if no Iphone (play through ship's stereo)
Digital SLR camera (that's just me)
Electronic propane shut off if applicable

Second tier:

SSB Receiver
406 Eprib
Electronic barometer, with trend bar chart, and temp gauge

SSB transmitter and/or
Satellite phone
lap top computer

Radar (depending on cruising grounds and conditions)

I'd probably stay away from mast head gizmos as much as possible.
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Old 14-03-2009, 21:10   #7
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Well first what are your plans for the boat? If long distance cruising I would start with a first class autopilot and charging system to keep it going. Then GPS, radios, etc.

If you plan on taking the boat out on weekends for a coastal cruise and live in Maine get radar and GPS/chart plotters first. If the same but live in FL get a generator and air conditioning.
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I think I would buy the boat first and see what you need. Some of the stuff on it may be just fine. Get the horse first, then the cart.
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I was just looking at that E Series. It looks amazing. Big bucks, but quite the piece of kit.

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Starting with nothing??

VHF
Depth,
Speed,
Wind,
Autopilot,
GPS MFD
Battery Charger.

That should get you there.
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Gentle people,
Thank you to everyone for their input.
Celestialsailor Rest assured that I will be getting the boat (the horse ) first and then outfitting it. There may be a boat out there that has good electronic gear but it is not one of those I have looked at.
As far as what we will be doing it is probably the carribean for at least half a year maybe a year and then off to the south pacific.
Does anyone have any thoughts about foreward seeking sonar. I keep hearing stories about floating containers but I wonder if there would be enough warning to do anything about it.
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I would get a Furuno NavNet 3D system over the Raytheon system. I have used both systems underway on a few different boats, which made me decide on the Furuno system.
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Gentle people,
Thank you to everyone for their input.
Celestialsailor Rest assured that I will be getting the boat (the horse ) first and then outfitting it. There may be a boat out there that has good electronic gear but it is not one of those I have looked at.
As far as what we will be doing it is probably the carribean for at least half a year maybe a year and then off to the south pacific.
Does anyone have any thoughts about foreward seeking sonar. I keep hearing stories about floating containers but I wonder if there would be enough warning to do anything about it.
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This is not the kind of sonar a submarine has where they can "see" thousands of meters around them. This type of sonar only covers a few boat lengths.

Your right, unless you are going dead slow ahead, your response time will not be quick enough to avoid a hard floating object or a grounding. Besides, who wants to have to stare into the screen for hours and hours at a time? This is what you would have to do for it to be effective at high speeds, right?...provided you do have lightning fast reflexes and really can maneuver within the short time it takes a boat to travel a few boat lengths.

I don't think it is worth the cost unless you have the chance to get lots of practice first AND you are going to be poking around a LOT of areas short handed where the depths are of question. The most accurate way of determining the depth a number of boat lengths ahead of you in clear tropical waters is to put someone on the foredeck.

As far as avoiding containers? I think its worthless unless you want to go REALLY slow and have the willingness to be focused on that screen 98% of the time.
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I absolutely agree when comming close to land in the daylight in tropical waters a couple of eyes on the bow is the way to go. It seems about once a week I am reading of another boat that hit a container and was holed. It is the floating container menace that I was thinking off when I asked about the sonar. I don't know if it would work or not but it currently seems to be pretty much the only available option.
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Although it is the only solution I can think of, other than actually spotting a mostly submerged container. You still have to ask, is the sonar effective enough to actually maneuver around an object in time?

Worthless is still not better than worthless. If it is not better than nothing, then it is a waste of money. I question that it has any value for cruisers other than an impressive piece of eye candy to look at.

Perhaps the real solution is to make a more powerful unit capable of looking ahead a few hundred meters which uses artificial intelligence to discern the difference between a container, marine mammals, kelp or soft garbage in the water. Only then would it sound an audible alarm if it "sees" something hard so you don't have to monitor the screen all the time. The technology exists to do this. I have towed side scan sonars which are pretty much the same technology applied differently.

Why they don't put cheap water activated acoustic pingers on containers, or better yet, why they don't put hydrostatic releases or salt water activated fasteners that secure the roofs of containers is beyond me. I think its irresponsible of container lease companies not build containers that don't sink in a few days by creating a method that releases the roof..allowing to contents to escape then allowing the container to sink. Its irresponsible especially when they already know they lose hundreds of containers each year and that there really are boats hitting them.

Like all things, it all comes down to cost and people not pressuring them. Maybe its time for boaters, commercial fishermen, and the portion of the maritime industry that does not use containers to start pressuring them?

Wouldn't making it so containers could not float for very long in the first place be an even better solution than forward looking sonar?
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